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Started by DesEsseintes on Aug 29, 2020 6:48:48 PM
Brexit - When The Sun Goes Down

And what a scummy man

Just give him half a chance

I bet he'll rob you if he can

Can see it in his eyes, yeah, that he's got a nasty plan

I hope you're not involved at all

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JDW70Wellwhynot - 29 Aug 2020 21:27:09 (#1 of 1511)

Just to keep your thread afloat, Des

DesEsseintes - 30 Aug 2020 14:42:34 (#2 of 1511)

We will be shipbuilding

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/aug/29/r
eborn-shipyard-pins-hopes-for-growth-on-post-brexit-boom

Sabacious - 30 Aug 2020 14:44:24 (#3 of 1511)

Is it worth it?

annetjie - 30 Aug 2020 14:45:06 (#4 of 1511)

https://twitter.com/vivamjm/status/130003445640589
7216?s=20

SinnerBoy - 30 Aug 2020 14:55:06 (#5 of 1511)

Well, once the economy tanks and wages drop through the floor... It'll be economical again.

xDiggy - 30 Aug 2020 15:15:04 (#6 of 1511)

Wood said he had talked to Johnson about the migrant crisis and suggested that the Appledore yard make a fleet of new naval patrol ships to be deployed in the Channel.

One of the things we spoke about was the type of vessels that would be available, and the PM assured us that he would do everything to ensure a line of projects,” Wood said. “He said that given the migrant crisis, patrol boats would be a good place to start.

FFS. Don’t quit your job at Tesco just yet, Devonians.

localhost - 30 Aug 2020 15:16:39 (#7 of 1511)

That's gotta be peak Brexit

xDiggy - 30 Aug 2020 15:17:43 (#8 of 1511)

I dearly hope this works out for them, I really do. But what that article describes is an entire industry trying to survive on possible contracts to build HMS Imaginary.

xDiggy - 30 Aug 2020 15:18:15 (#9 of 1511)

And Johnson, tossing off some stupid remark like that.

xDiggy - 30 Aug 2020 15:24:58 (#10 of 1511)

The shipbuilding industry is said to be worth between £1.5bn and £4.3bn a year, depending on the size of Royal Navy contracts.

That’s the whole problem right there. When the entire industry was engaged in building the new aircraft carriers then four tankers had to be built in South Korea because there was no capacity available in the UK. When the carrier work finished, BAe were handed makework contracts to build five lavishly overpriced patrol vessels the navy didn’t really want in order to keep yards alive until new frigate work was ready. You absolutely cannot sustain a high-capital industry this way.

DesEsseintes - 30 Aug 2020 20:10:37 (#11 of 1511)

'draping a union jack over the wilder edges of global capitalism'

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug
/30/the-guardian-view-on-a-brexit-industrial-strategy-theatre-but-no-policy

DesEsseintes - 31 Aug 2020 08:56:34 (#12 of 1511)

<< Les «négociations n'avancent pas en raison de l'attitude intransigeante et pour tout dire irréaliste du Royaume-Uni», a déploré lundi le ministre français des Affaires étrangères, Jean-Yves Le Drian lors d'un discours devant les ambassadeurs de France en Europe, aux côtés de son homologue allemand Heiko Maas. >> (RFI)

bossab2 - 31 Aug 2020 09:25:24 (#13 of 1511)

I like the use of the word 'deplores' there.

HarveyRabbit - 31 Aug 2020 10:45:27 (#14 of 1511)

It doesn't necessarily translate as 'deplores/deplored'.

'lamented'?

kvelertak - 31 Aug 2020 11:30:36 (#15 of 1511)

'Homologue' is a wonderful piece of language.

RosyLovelady - 31 Aug 2020 11:42:27 (#16 of 1511)

It sounds very biological in comparison with opposite number or counterpart, but presumably not if I were French.

HarveyRabbit - 31 Aug 2020 12:12:31 (#17 of 1511)

'Homologue' is a wonderful piece of language.

As is 'Pedagogue'.

In English it's a put down. Almost synonymous with 'pedant'. In French it can just refer to a 'teacher' or 'educator', but quite often some kind of specialist or exceptional teacher.

Being English, I can't completely divorce the two meanings in my mind, so whenever I see the French word 'pedagogique' I always assume something is being disapproved of.

RosyLovelady - 31 Aug 2020 12:17:21 (#18 of 1511)

I didn't know "pedagogue" was pejorative in the same way as "pedant" in popular discourse.

mingmong - 31 Aug 2020 12:26:48 (#19 of 1511)

maybe some people think its a posh word for paedophile

HarveyRabbit - 31 Aug 2020 12:36:57 (#20 of 1511)

Perhaps I've made the wrong distinction regarding the english usage.

It has always seemed to me that in general discourse people will use the word teacher and only switch to pedagogue to describe a teacher who is overly formal or strict and by extension use it to describe anyone who adheres to overly strict definitions.

Such as the definition of the usage of pedagogue.

Oh shit. I'm in a usage loop.

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