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Started by TheVoiceOfReason on Sep 10, 2020 10:24:13 AM
Motorists’ fury as SUVs to be BANNED as part of the recovery from COVID

Shock new proposals for a tax on frequent flyers, a ban on SUVs and a cut in meat consumption as part of the Covid-19 economic recovery emerged today. The alarming report demands that the recovery from Covid-19 be used as an opportunity to hit net zero carbon emissions and drive different lifestyles to tackle the climate crisis, including a frequent flyers tax and a reduction in meat and dairy consumption.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/10/uk-climate-assembly-economic-recovery-from-covid-must-tackle-global-heating

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Catspyjamas17 - 10 Sep 2020 10:32:23 (#1 of 172)

Ban on new ones, sure. People won't be replacing their current perfectly reliable cars until there is a viable and affordable electric/hybrid used car market.

Catspyjamas17 - 10 Sep 2020 10:37:55 (#2 of 172)

And if you want things like:

- A reduction in the amount we use cars by 2–5% per decade

We need sweeping changes like decent public transport and cycle network outside London. Subsidised bike and electric bike schemes and so on. A lot can be achieved with individual actions but governments and local authorities need to also act to make the changes required.

One thing they could do right now though is stop urging people to get back into the workplace when they don't need to go and let's capitalise on the changes to the ridiculous and unsustainable commuter lifestyle covid has brought about, not go back to where we were.

solomongursky - 10 Sep 2020 10:41:57 (#3 of 172)

SUVs shouldn't be banned, they should be crushed with the owners inside then deported and shot.

carterbrandon - 10 Sep 2020 10:43:56 (#4 of 172)

Enormous electric SUVs are even more annoying. At least the owners of petrol ones have a Clarksonian honesty about them.

solomongursky - 10 Sep 2020 10:45:32 (#5 of 172)

Wankpanzers.

Ginmonkey - 10 Sep 2020 10:46:58 (#6 of 172)

They should be forced at least to take remedial parking lessons as a condition of buying one.

rejonked - 10 Sep 2020 11:00:19 (#7 of 172)

We need sweeping changes like decent public transport and cycle network outside London. Subsidised bike and electric bike schemes and so on. A lot can be achieved with individual actions but governments and local authorities need to also act to make the changes required.

This is pretty much exactly what the report sayshttps://www.climateassembly.uk/report/read/final-report-exec-summary.pdf

What is interesting about these citizens assemblies on climate change (there have been a number now in local areas, this is the first national one) is they tend to come up with very similar sorts of conclusions. They start with a group of people most of whom don't know a lot about the issues and by the end of the process they are arguing for fairly radical and urgent action.

wickeltisch - 10 Sep 2020 11:06:04 (#8 of 172)

They should be forced at least to take remedial parking lessons as a condition of buying one.

That won't help much as parking spaces were mostly marked a long time ago and since then cars (even small ones) have become wider and longer. The current VW Polo is much bigger than the first generation Golf I owned in the 70s.

There should be an end to making cars bigger and bigger with every new model.

TheVoiceOfReason - 10 Sep 2020 11:06:55 (#9 of 172)

As cars get bigger, are men’s penises getting smaller?

Rendered - 10 Sep 2020 11:07:46 (#10 of 172)

Sounds like you've set yourself some market research.

solomongursky - 10 Sep 2020 11:08:46 (#11 of 172)

It's weird how pedestrians are told how walking around in normal clothes is dangerous, but if a driver chooses a massive vehicle with giant blind spots it's cited as mitigation when they kill a pedestrian:

https://thelincolnite.co.uk/2019/03/woman-cleared-of-killing-pensioner-when-reversing/

Catspyjamas17 - 10 Sep 2020 11:08:52 (#12 of 172)

I think people *might* be getting bigger.

Rendered - 10 Sep 2020 11:10:01 (#13 of 172)

DIESEL DIESEL DIESEL

rejonked - 10 Sep 2020 11:13:07 (#14 of 172)

As cars get bigger, are men’s penises getting smaller?

A 2017 study that was focused on more than 400 adult males in the United States revealed that men who were exposed to the highest levels of air pollution were 15 percent more likely to struggle with erectile dysfunction.

https://www.earth.com/news/car-exhaust-erectile-dysfunction/

wickeltisch - 10 Sep 2020 11:16:53 (#15 of 172)

men who were exposed to the highest levels of air pollution were 15 percent more likely to struggle with erectile dysfunction.

And now there'salso Covid.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC71714
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Catspyjamas17 - 10 Sep 2020 11:19:03 (#16 of 172)

Sometimes people choose a larger vehicle because of the number of people required to be transported in it at once. And also the seats being higher up and more roomy and comfortable for older people with mobility issues to get in and out of. And the amount of luggage when you go on holiday, plus a large dog.

When you can get second-hand hybrids for 15k on a PCP plan/HP people will stop buying diesels anyway. Most people, I would suggest, make vehicle-buying decisions based on what is available in their price range and what they need out of practicality rather than to show off or be flash or because they enjoy driving round mowing down pedestrians.

rejonked - 10 Sep 2020 11:19:26 (#17 of 172)

Meh. The Covid study is about fertility, not erectile dysfunction. I couldn't care less about fertility tbh, far too many kids as it is, but floppy cocks are a terrible affliction.

rejonked - 10 Sep 2020 11:20:32 (#18 of 172)

Most people, I would suggest, make vehicle-buying decisions based on what is available in their price range and what they need out of practicality rather than to show off or be flash or because they enjoy driving round mowing down pedestrians.

Nothing wrong with taking that choice away from them if on balance that is better for the environment and the rest of society.

Antimatter - 10 Sep 2020 11:20:47 (#19 of 172)

I notice, no proposed ban on privately owned jets or pleasure flights on light aircraft. I wonder why that is?

thePiMan - 10 Sep 2020 11:20:53 (#20 of 172)

I bought a BMW X3 because I wanted the reliability of that brand but also because of the four members of my household, three have mobility issues and it's easier to step into and out of a vehicle than it is to have to climb out of a low seat.

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