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Started by TheVoiceOfReason on Sep 28, 2020 1:00:54 PM
Woke outrage sees Richard Dawkins BANNED from university in Éire as he is offensive to MOSLEMS

A university in Éire has tonight sensationally rescinded its invitation to Richard Dawkins to address its historical society next year. Spokeslady Bríd O’Donnell announced the cancellation in a statement on Instagram, saying that she had been “unaware of Richard Dawkins’ opinions on Islam until this evening”, adding that “we will not be moving ahead with his address as we value our members comfort above all else”.

Arjuna - 28 Sep 2020 14:43:17 (#1 of 289)

He is on record as saying that Islam is evil, which always makes me wonder what an atheist exactly means by evil.

AdonisBlue - 28 Sep 2020 14:43:28 (#2 of 289)

But he is anti all religion isn't he? He can't really mock religion as worshipping a spaghetti God in the sky and then say except Allah, he's real.

Lagopus - 28 Sep 2020 14:48:37 (#3 of 289)

He's massively annoying, but as far as I know an equal opportunities religion hater.

machiavelli - 28 Sep 2020 14:49:06 (#4 of 289)

Isn't part of a Uni's job to discomfit and challenge students?

Dayraven - 28 Sep 2020 14:49:51 (#5 of 289)

The coronavirus is doing enough discomfiting and challenging already.

Tenesmus - 28 Sep 2020 14:52:27 (#6 of 289)

Currently he'd have to self-isolate for 14 days on arrival in Ireland, unless he came via Belfast in which case the virus respects the Good Friday Agreement and doesn't come with him.

Agaliarept - 28 Sep 2020 15:19:48 (#7 of 289)

Isn't part of a Uni's job to discomfit and challenge students?

It's more complicated than that. It's more to do with not putting people onstage to echo the things that are said by some toward muslim people as attacks.

I agree it isn't solving racism* by banning speakers but I can see the good intention of the Unis who do this.

* Yes I know muslim isn't a race but lets be honest here. To the average racist in the street muslim = brown.

But just to be clear no platforming people is counter productive to race relations.

guigal - 28 Sep 2020 15:20:36 (#8 of 289)

Dawkins may be stuck in Oxford at the moment but the Dawkins Foundation is based in Washington DC. He was annoyed, as you'd expect, when an event at a radio station in Berkeley, California (where he once taught at the University) was cancelled because he had offended Muslims. The difference is that he had agreed to take part in the event. There's nothing about him having accepted the invitation to Ireland.

A phobia is an irrational fear and reactive hostility. It would be irrational to discriminate against all Muslims. However, it's perfectly reasonable to be hostile to the religious doctrine of Islam and, particularly, to murderous jihadism and those who subscribe to it.

Lagopus - 28 Sep 2020 15:28:41 (#9 of 289)

I'm not at all sure that is reasonable, Guig. I mean, I don't believe Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Jainism Hinduism or Bahai have much or any scientific basis, but what Dawkins and Grayling don't quite get is that that isn't the point. Believing in God is nothing like believing in asteroids.

Lagopus - 28 Sep 2020 15:30:42 (#10 of 289)

although I do think it's rational to mistrust people who want to kill me.

SharkPatoo - 28 Sep 2020 15:31:11 (#11 of 289)

Believing in God is nothing like believing in asteroids.

It's about people (Dawkins/Giggsy) not believeing in god.

dottie30 - 28 Sep 2020 15:38:07 (#12 of 289)

It's not clear from the article but it's Trinity which has told him he's not wanted I think. 'The Hist' is an archaic old society in that institution.

Only pointing it out because Trinity is a venerable protestant institution (indeed until midway through the 20th century papists were forbidden to attend by the Catholic Church itself).

barkis - 28 Sep 2020 15:45:16 (#13 of 289)

If you believe that the bible/koran disproves evolution, which is Dawkins' main beef, it is like believing in asteroids.

FleurDuMal - 28 Sep 2020 15:49:59 (#14 of 289)

Does anyone still call it 'Éire'?

guigal - 28 Sep 2020 15:52:28 (#15 of 289)

Believing in God is nothing like believing in asteroids. Lagopus - 28 Sep 2020 15:28:41 ( #9 of 11)

There's a linguistic confusion there, Lagopus. You don't believe in astronomy. You believe that it provides a scientific explanation for the way the universe works. And if you don't have a scientific education, you can still be convinced by science because it works. I wouldn't buy a ticket for a trip to the moon just yet, or possibly ever. But it's part of everyday experience that science works.

It would be a waste of time praying to be transported across the Atlantic with no means of support but the invisible hand of God. I'd not buy a ticket for a magic carpet service either.

Sabacious - 28 Sep 2020 15:56:09 (#16 of 289)

Does anyone still call it 'Éire'?

Irish speakers talking about Ireland?

Lagopus - 28 Sep 2020 15:56:20 (#17 of 289)

dunno barkis, you're suggesting that an evolutionary biologist who in his career will have met many other evolutionary biologists, some of whom would be religious, actually thinks everyone who has a faith is a creationist? He's daft, but surely not that daft?

browserbutton - 28 Sep 2020 15:58:33 (#18 of 289)

You can call Ireland Éire, it's like calling Germany Deutschland.

AdonisBlue - 28 Sep 2020 16:00:40 (#19 of 289)

Lagopus - so you believe in evolution, the big bang and God? Interesting.

guigal - 28 Sep 2020 16:01:49 (#20 of 289)

Arjuna - 28 Sep 2020 14:43:17 ( #1

Evil means morally bad. People of different religions and those of no religion agree on what is good and what is bad on many points. Where they differ is on actions which are only good or bad because a holy book tells them so.

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