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Natascha - 14 Oct 2020 13:22:52 (#1 of 2973)

Mods, please could you add the headers. Ta.

nemo75 - 14 Oct 2020 13:31:54 (#2 of 2973)

Blessings be upon this house.

StakludKar - 14 Oct 2020 13:41:04 (#3 of 2973)

Remember the 1st corona thread. Such sunny optimism

AdonisBlue - 14 Oct 2020 13:42:33 (#4 of 2973)

I remember it but I don't remember the optimism.

StakludKar - 14 Oct 2020 13:44:22 (#5 of 2973)

It's certainly exceeded expectations, this rona.

binturong - 14 Oct 2020 13:46:34 (#6 of 2973)

The declining risk of secondary infection with increasing household size in the carnival study (old thread #9990) is interesting. Presumably increasing house size - and therefore ability of infected members of the household to isolate themselves - is a significant factor.

xDiggy - 14 Oct 2020 13:52:20 (#7 of 2973)

Coronavirus: Still here, still shit.

breakfast - 14 Oct 2020 13:52:31 (#8 of 2973)

it’s crucial that we use a circuit breaker to ensure that we’re not in the same place when it’s lifted. To do this, England’s system of testing, tracing and isolating needs urgent reform.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct
/14/circuit-breaker-england-test-and-trace-reform-lockdown-sage

breakfast - 14 Oct 2020 14:01:47 (#9 of 2973)

Norway doesn't get talked about much. Spring lockdown, then eased and replaced with T&T. T&T suspended briefly in the summer over privacy concerns but then reinstated when sorted. Border restrictions reduced over the summer but now back with 10 days quarantine. Advised against foreign travel. Five to ten times fewer deaths and hospital cases than neighbouring Sweden. Same economic hit. T&T works and presumably includes support for the isolate part. Currently fewer daily restrictions than in Sweden but being gradually tightened as cases start to increase again (as they are in Sweden).

Sabacious - 14 Oct 2020 14:06:57 (#10 of 2973)

Big country, hardly any people.

breakfast - 14 Oct 2020 14:09:01 (#11 of 2973)

I know. I just thought it would make a change for a poster to eulogise a Scandinavian country other than Sweden.

Big European country that's done best so far is Germany.

xDiggy - 14 Oct 2020 14:10:17 (#12 of 2973)

All countries that have done well have high functioning T&T.

No countries that have done well have Dido Harding in charge of it.

Sabacious - 14 Oct 2020 14:10:23 (#13 of 2973)

Yes, Germany is a much better comparison with a similar population density to the UK (Norway's density is 20x lower).

TheVoiceOfReason - 14 Oct 2020 14:10:41 (#14 of 2973)

That would be the same Germany that now has travel bans across 12 of 16 states?

breakfast - 14 Oct 2020 14:11:13 (#15 of 2973)

Still doing better than us.

Sabacious - 14 Oct 2020 14:11:51 (#16 of 2973)

5000 new cases today I believe.

xDiggy - 14 Oct 2020 14:13:19 (#17 of 2973)

The absolute billions this government have hosed around their cronies for variously ineffective parts of the coronavirus response is still an under appreciated scandal, imo. At its worst it resembles the Trump administration, a bunch of looters using their time in office to fleece the public.

ATtcha - 14 Oct 2020 14:15:07 (#18 of 2973)

#6 It could just be proportional, knowing that the risk of secondary infection is very much linked to the fact that the majority of people don't contaminate, or very little (one person on average) and that others are super spreaders, the risk of secondary infection would automatically decrease as the size of the household increases.

dottie30 - 14 Oct 2020 14:19:58 (#19 of 2973)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYmn76Y50Us

Jonathan Pie nails it again.

nemo75 - 14 Oct 2020 14:30:22 (#20 of 2973)

it’s crucial that we use a circuit breaker to ensure that we’re not in the same place when it’s lifted.

There is at least one word missing here.

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