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Started by TheVoiceOfReason on Nov 17, 2020 2:24:28 PM
Sales of new petrol & diesel cars to be BANNED by 2030

The sale of new petrol and diesel cars will be BANNED within a decade, Boris Johnson is set to announce this week as part of a broader package of green initiatives. It is an attempt to jump-start the market for electric cars in the UK and propel the country towards its goal of net zero emissions by 2050, according to government and industry insiders.

Lento_ - 17 Nov 2020 14:40:02 (#1 of 232)

I saw an interesting point being made on Sky News that if this is successful, and it significantly reduces the number of petrol/diesel fuelled cars, then there will be a big drop in fuel tax raised by the government. They'll need to look at other ways of raising money to pay for road maintenance.

Catspyjamas17 - 17 Nov 2020 14:40:04 (#2 of 232)

Ok fair enough. Just hope we will have a decent supply of used electric cars by then.

TheVoiceOfReason - 17 Nov 2020 14:44:55 (#3 of 232)

I think the bizarre unintended consequence could actually be more cars on the road: “oh it’s fine, it’s an electric car!” when realistically our infrastructure needs car numbers to shrink, no matter what fuel powers them.

xDiggy - 17 Nov 2020 14:45:37 (#4 of 232)

The more interesting question is how on earth we are going to have the charging infrastructure by then.

breakfast - 17 Nov 2020 14:46:27 (#5 of 232)

By Brexit magic.

AdonisBlue - 17 Nov 2020 14:46:53 (#6 of 232)

No it won't. As things are it will make driving the preserve of the middle classes and upwards again as only they can afford the electric cars.

Who are the biggest supporters of electric cars? Unsurprisingly those who can afford them and want quieter roads.

xDiggy - 17 Nov 2020 14:47:02 (#7 of 232)

When I bought a new car recently I could have afforded and wouldn’t have minded an electric one. But I can’t charge one at home.

TheVoiceOfReason - 17 Nov 2020 14:48:27 (#8 of 232)

But I can’t charge one at home.

My neighbour just runs a cord from her car to a plug in her hall. Do you need special voltage?

xDiggy - 17 Nov 2020 14:49:45 (#9 of 232)

No you just need a parking space that isn’t 100ft from your house.

TheVoiceOfReason - 17 Nov 2020 14:50:41 (#10 of 232)

As for infrastructure, the entire motorway network was largely built in under 30 years. It can’t take too much to put charging points at all existing petrol stations, in every car parking space at supermarkets and motorway services, etc. if the will and motivation are there. And with a deadline like this, they will be.

xDiggy - 17 Nov 2020 14:51:57 (#11 of 232)

It's clearly possible, I just don't see a plan for it atm.

HorstVogel - 17 Nov 2020 14:53:28 (#12 of 232)

#1 Lento, lack of imagination for taxation isn't really an issue. I'm sure someone will come up with something.

machiavelli - 17 Nov 2020 14:53:56 (#13 of 232)

Given our current propensity to fuck up infrastructure, I'm not confident.

FleurDuMal - 17 Nov 2020 14:55:15 (#14 of 232)

No, quite. It should be possible, but we have a Cabinet full of feeble-minded schoolboys at present.

barkis - 17 Nov 2020 14:55:22 (#15 of 232)

There'll come a time when petrol pumps will be rare. People will be buying bottles of petrol from chemists like early motorists.

Yersinia - 17 Nov 2020 14:57:05 (#16 of 232)

I also can't charge at home.

At the moment, the economics wouldn't work out even if I could. Electric cars cost so much more, and then cost less to run.

But I'm pretty low mileage - about 5000 miles per year (Usually. This year is a bit higher). I average about 10p per mile in a 10 year old diesel.

It would take a hella long time to break even at that mileage. Those who eat up the road will break even much earlier.

browserbutton - 17 Nov 2020 14:58:07 (#17 of 232)

What about electric lorries, all clean and whisper-y?

tasselhoff - 17 Nov 2020 14:58:28 (#18 of 232)

I'd love to get loads of PV panels and be able to charge my own car.

With extra batteries of course

FrankieTeardrop - 17 Nov 2020 15:00:51 (#19 of 232)

I'm disappointed this decision wasn't "they" trying to take away YOUR cars

mikeshadow - 17 Nov 2020 15:01:52 (#20 of 232)

The limited range is a drawback at present.

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