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guigal - 19 Feb 2021 14:54:15 (#1 of 63)

The Rights of the Child are trampled on as a matter of routine

The UN presses UK to repeal compulsory collective worship laws

The UK is the only country in the world to impose Christian worship in state schools, including those without a religious character.

https://humanism.org.uk/2021/02/18/un-presses-uk-to-repeal-compulsory-collective-worship-laws/

SharkPatoo - 22 Feb 2021 13:29:10 (#2 of 63)

Most schools get around it, though.

Arjuna - 22 Feb 2021 16:10:30 (#3 of 63)

It has probably put millions off Christianity for life. I know it is possible to indoctrinate kids but takes more than mumbled prayer from a headmaster and a few hymns.

AdonisBlue - 22 Feb 2021 23:18:23 (#4 of 63)

Today was 'spirituality day' at my daughter's primary school, the first day back after half term always is. She said they learnt nothing. So she's in, at the risk from Covid just two days a week, to learn about sky fairies when she's already missed so much of her final year.

Why haven't we learnt from Covid and how religious communities have disproportionately suffered, that religion is now actually harmful? Evolution is saying so. Put your trust in science and you have a better chance of passing on your genes than in your God at the moment.

guigal - 23 Feb 2021 00:23:49 (#5 of 63)

#2 and #3 are the usual arguments for apathy.

They " get round it " . Not true of thousands of state-funded religious schools. True of many schools. But that is because worshipping a god is so out-of-place in this century for most people. It is ridiculous that head teachers should have to " get round it ". Get rid of it from places of education and let those who wish to perform prayers and rituals, do it in the appropriate places, churches, mosques, temples, synagogues and the like. Or privately. If parents wish to impose it on their children, that is an issue of the rights and responsibilities of parents. But, on no account impose it on other children through the law.

It only "puts them off religion". At what a price. If religions are intellectual nonsense with morally dubious principles, just let them make their own choices when they are grown-up enough to be thinking about ideologies and life stances.

But I am all in favour of learning about religious beliefs and their part in history, culture and contemporary societies. Whether or not this should be a standalone subject or included in other subject areas, is open to question.

Tripos - 23 Feb 2021 00:42:42 (#6 of 63)

Pink Floyd - "Another Brick in the Wall"

"Hey teacher, leave those kids alone"

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs35t2xFqdU

AdonisBlue - 23 Feb 2021 00:44:01 (#7 of 63)

Guigal, what about the huge recent proliferation of highly religious Islamic schools in the UK? They've built quite a few in Lancashire since the tories allowed Independent Schools. They are usually segregated on gender and strictly religious.

God may be less relevant to what was Christian UK, but in other communities he's never been bigger.

AdonisBlue - 23 Feb 2021 00:44:51 (#8 of 63)

#6 The worst Pink Floyd song (and I love them)

guigal - 23 Feb 2021 00:52:33 (#9 of 63)

the huge recent proliferation of highly religious Islamic schools in the UK? They've built quite a few in Lancashire since the tories allowed Independent Schools.

That sounds like illegal faith schools.

Thousands of children are being taught in unregistered schools across England, many more than previously thought, Ofsted's chief inspector has said. Sir Michael Wilshaw said a crackdown had found more than 100 suspected illegal schools - half of which were faith-based, Ofsted said. Roughly a third of them were Islamic and a sixth either Christian or Jewish. https://www.bbc.com/news/education-36302054

If they are legal private schools, the argument is different from changing the law on compulsory RE and compulsory religious services in state-funded schools.

AdonisBlue - 23 Feb 2021 01:01:24 (#10 of 63)

They mostly are legal but you can't ignore them or their growth,awkward as it is to discuss. They still have to meet minimum standards for Ofsted, as with all indie schools.

By Western standards they are regressive. Girls are taught seperately to boys and taught different roles. Only the 'one true' religion is taught. But worst of all they encourage ghettoisation and a lack of integration into what is a secular UK society. I find it odd their biggest defenders are often on the left, people who rightly fight for women's rights and other progressive views. But are then happy for these schools to teach the opposite.

TenGorillas - 23 Feb 2021 06:43:51 (#11 of 63)

I was on a monster thread on mumsnet about this about ten days ago. About 700 posts in the end and only two of us were against religion in schools.

dottie30 - 23 Feb 2021 07:29:53 (#12 of 63)

My son's school never bothered with the whole praying thing. They got round the law by having a compulsory 'culture and personal development' class every week until GCSE years. They have never been threatened with any legal action.

FleurDuMal - 23 Feb 2021 07:51:42 (#13 of 63)

It’s nonsense. They should scrap the requirement and teach critical thinking instead.

bossab2 - 23 Feb 2021 08:00:24 (#14 of 63)

My sons school tried to force them to do an RE GCSE

Given the huge amount of basic "facts about life" which they failed to teach (eg personal finance) teaching them about fairies at the bottom of the garden so they could game the GCSE tables was appalling.

And so I pulled him from the GCSE ( with much whining from the school)

dottie30 - 23 Feb 2021 08:21:55 (#15 of 63)

I went to a convent and everyone had to RE GCSE. It ended up being one of the 'favourite' classes as we had double RE Friday last lesson and our RE teacher just used to show videos.

And they ended up being tenuous as to how much they were relevant. We discussed domestic abuse after watching The Burning Bed. We also watched Kramer vs Kramer; Cry Freedom, Gandhi and the BBC documentary Fourteen Days in May re the death penalty in the US.

FleurDuMal - 23 Feb 2021 08:24:09 (#16 of 63)

Hah, I can empathise with that teacher - planning a lesson for last thing on a Friday really sucks!

bossab2 - 23 Feb 2021 08:25:49 (#17 of 63)

One RE teacher just told us Sherlock Holmes stories

which he had memorised.

FleurDuMal - 23 Feb 2021 08:26:21 (#18 of 63)

That's a bit weird, to be honest.

TenGorillas - 23 Feb 2021 08:29:57 (#19 of 63)

My RE teacher is now serving a long sentence for child abuse.

dottie30 - 23 Feb 2021 08:30:07 (#20 of 63)

To be fair, we also got through the entire box set of Jesus of Nazareth. Twice.

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