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Started by breakfast on Feb 18, 2021 6:34:38 PM
Northern POWERHOUSE Railway to be cheap and nasty
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carterbrandon - 19 Feb 2021 21:30:05 (#16 of 35)

The Birmingham Metro gets extended 1 mile in the same time as the Manchester one gets about 20.

I saw the same stretch of track get dug and filled in 5 times.

DesEsseintes - 19 Feb 2021 21:57:22 (#17 of 35)

Meh - just reopen Woodhead, and put more carriages on the commuter trains.

HarveyRabbit - 19 Feb 2021 22:11:21 (#18 of 35)

I saw the same stretch of track get dug and filled in 5 times.

A lot of that digging and refilling of trenches would have been moving the various services - telecom and power cables, gas and water mains, etc - away from the route.

HarveyRabbit - 19 Feb 2021 22:19:05 (#19 of 35)

Meh - just reopen Woodhead

Someone (it was the CEGB) has used the tunnel of the former electrified railway as a route for high voltage electric grid cables.

carterbrandon - 19 Feb 2021 22:38:58 (#20 of 35)

#18: I expect so. But the inability to do them all at once, is probably why Birmingham's tram network is a fraction of the size of Manchester's.

TRaney - 19 Feb 2021 22:48:23 (#21 of 35)

But not as cheap and nasty as you!

DesEsseintes - 19 Feb 2021 23:10:20 (#22 of 35)

Someone (it was the CEGB) has used the tunnel of the former electrified railway as a route for high voltage electric grid cables.

whatevs, people that spend more time on this than me tell me it's still feasible

ChankNolen - 20 Feb 2021 08:13:07 (#23 of 35)

'It's not That London so cattle trucks should be fine, they might even throw clean straw in too'.

Have Northern Rail retired the Pacers yet? They were really only one step up from a cattle truck.

hailesaladdie - 20 Feb 2021 08:20:36 (#24 of 35)

Yeah, but replaced them with awful sprinters instead. The ones where the seats force you to sit at an odd angle, and the windows are specially aligned to make it almost impossible to look out.

TheExcession - 20 Feb 2021 13:33:09 (#25 of 35)

The later Sprinters are fine. The earlier ones have the doors about a quarter of the way down from each end of the carriage meaning a good number of the seats have nothing to look at except the back of the wall compartment that the doors slide into.

I used to love the old 1950s DMUs as a kid as they had excellent visibility and you could even see see out of both ends. Comfy seats too.

bossab2 - 20 Feb 2021 14:38:58 (#26 of 35)

And you could watch the driver driving !

TheExcession - 20 Feb 2021 16:05:01 (#27 of 35)

Oh yes I used to love that. When I was about eight one driver noticed my curious looks at the controls and invited me into the cab and let me help him drive the train all the way from Ilkley to Bradford.

So there you go. A train full of passengers partly driven by an eight year old boy. I seem to remember that I got to change the points and signals in Shipley signal box once as well.

TigerPaws - 20 Feb 2021 16:16:13 (#28 of 35)

Meanwhile Manchester Council loses car park legal fight to campaign group Trees not Cars.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/20/manchester-council-loses-legal-fight-to-build-car-park-next-to-school?

CarlosFandango - 21 Feb 2021 00:27:06 (#29 of 35)

Fucking hell, The Excession.

We share a train line.

Do you remember the 'honesty box' at the Ilkley end?

hailesaladdie - 21 Feb 2021 08:32:21 (#30 of 35)

> The earlier ones have the doors about a quarter of the way down from each end of the carriage meaning a good number of the seats have nothing to look at except the back of the wall compartment that the doors slide into.

Standard BR design. Vestibules at the thirds for commuter services and at the end for inter-city services. The 158s were introduced for Transpennine, Edinburgh-Glasgow and the like, but later reassigned to local services.

It's also the positioning of the seats. With the exception of the ScotRail sprinters, all the other ones have seats not aligned with the windows, meaning you only ever get a partial view out. Makes it feel claustrophobic, IMO.

FleurDuMal - 21 Feb 2021 08:51:11 (#31 of 35)

So there you go. A train full of passengers partly driven by an eight year old boy.

Well it couldn’t make the service any worse.

TheExcession - 21 Feb 2021 12:26:21 (#32 of 35)

#29 To be honest it's not a line I use much, as from where I live it's a lot quicker to hop in the car to get to Ilkley rather than get a bus or walk a couple of miles to the station, get a train to Shipley, change and then trundle up the Wharfe Valley. We used to use it quite a lot when I was a kid as my parents don't drive and we used to go on lots of walks that ended in Ilkley.

ChankNolen - 25 Feb 2021 07:50:44 (#33 of 35)

'With the exception of the ScotRail sprinters, all the other ones have seats not aligned with the windows'

Aha. I was going to say that I travelled on a North Highlands Line class 158 and thought the best thing about it was the clear sight lines.

JohnIlly - 25 Feb 2021 15:57:34 (#34 of 35)

Yes, 158s are OK.

hailesaladdie - 25 Feb 2021 16:44:30 (#35 of 35)

Yup, and the Wessex 159s. The Scotrail 156s aren't terrible either, compared to the random selection of 150s, 153s, 155s and 156s that have hastily been reassigned to replace Pacers. Where have they come from? Well, from railways that have done a lot better out of it - electrification in Scotland, those lovely Stadtler bi-modes in East Anglia, and even those half-decent new CAF jobbies in Northern.

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