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Started by TheValkyrie on May 3, 2021 9:07:29 AM
Northern Ireland - Centenary

The North is 100 years old today.

A controversial creation at the time and the source of much pain and suffering.

Demographics, Brexit and the likely breakup of the UK have put it at something of a crossroads.

Discuss.

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StakludKar - 03 May 2021 11:29:41 (#1 of 64)

He/she's back!

https://mobile.twitter.com/BorderIrish/status/1389
115328840572928

Jacob_Richter - 03 May 2021 13:40:26 (#2 of 64)

Here's TomRoss's reminder that Ulster and N.Ireland are not the same thing.

TigerPaws - 03 May 2021 16:25:25 (#3 of 64)

There's a couple of new books on partition. You can read the free reviews on Amazon.

Jacob_Richter - 03 May 2021 16:37:15 (#4 of 64)

Jeff Bezos there.

FleurDuMal - 03 May 2021 16:38:23 (#5 of 64)

It was a stupid idea then and it’s no better now.

TigerPaws - 03 May 2021 16:55:01 (#6 of 64)

Well what do you read Jacob. The London Review of books, the Times Lit supplement?

If you dislike Amazon there are other reviews where the reader is not required to surrender a load of data

Jacob_Richter - 03 May 2021 16:56:27 (#7 of 64)

All sorts. But I don't need an advert for Amazon, thanks all the same.

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TheValkyrie - 03 May 2021 17:13:57 (#9 of 64)

I'd have said a United Ireland was, barring a major demographic shift in the medium term, a dream.

I say medium because with the end of the conflict I suspect Catholics/Nationalists would drift away from that cause over the decades with an ever increasing "why rock the boat" element

Brexit and Scotland leaving, which I regret to say is only a matter of time unless the SNP go batshit crazy and taint the cause, changes the dynamic.

TRaney - 03 May 2021 17:16:58 (#10 of 64)

Scotland leaving, which I regret to say is only a matter of time

Not in your lifetime

RosyLovelady - 03 May 2021 17:58:49 (#11 of 64)

< It was a stupid idea then and it’s no better now. >

Very true. Of course, it was never intended to be a 100-year solution. It was supposed to be a stepping stone to a united Irish republic, but then the wars got in the way and the plan was shelved.

TheValkyrie - 03 May 2021 19:58:30 (#12 of 64)

#11

For the Pro-Treay Irish certainly. It was more vexed for the British. The pragmatists knew the jig was up and that NI was a stop-gap but to get the hardlinerson board it was sold as permanent resulting in two distinct agendas.

A janus strategy that avoided full scale civil war at the time but ended up trapping the North in carbonite as it became easier and safer for the mainlanders to do nothing.

Shame and eternal shame. Nothimg but shame.

jamalade - 03 May 2021 20:01:49 (#13 of 64)

It was then and it is now, Val.

Tonight there is a documentary on that bank job tonight on BBC1 NI

Heist: The Northern Bank Robbery

not sure if you can get it across the pond

bignosebignose - 03 May 2021 20:02:03 (#14 of 64)

Obviously just moving straight to a United Ireland back then would have been a flawless solution and we'd have all lived happily ever after.

FGBFGB - 03 May 2021 21:28:44 (#15 of 64)

The British government offered NI to Dev if he'd allow the Royal Navy to use the treaty ports for the duration of WW2. Not exactly doing nothing because of the war.

dottie30 - 03 May 2021 21:44:32 (#16 of 64)

A janus strategy that avoided full scale civil war at the time



Um. There was a civil war at the time. In Ireland.

And what effectively happened was there was a 'free state' for the whole of Ireland. Then the six counties of Northern Ireland seceded from the free state and rejoined the UK. Fair enough, what seems like a complicated political procedure took a couple of days.

popstar7 - 03 May 2021 21:51:18 (#17 of 64)

Coincidentally, I stumbled on a website telling the story of a battle my grandfather took part in during the War of Independence just last week. I knew he'd been in the IRA, but not much detail other than that -

https://thewildgeese.irish/profiles/blogs/the-battle-of-crossbarry-breaking-the-back-of-the-british-occupat

TheValkyrie - 04 May 2021 03:11:33 (#18 of 64)

#16

I meant the British avoided a British civil war.

What happened in Free State Ireland was exactly what the pragmatist British feared. The refuseniks rising up.

The Irish being particularly fucked over by Dev knowing full well the treaty was the only game in town but doing a Joffrey and starting an unwinnable war.

Bonus points for him then abandoning leadership of the anti-treaty forces, outliving Griffith/Collins, changing sides again to lead the Free State, wiping out his former allies, turning Ireland into a neo-theocracy and then when offered the North on a plate saying no despite the loss of it being the nominal reason for being a cunt in the first place.

Intowntonight - 04 May 2021 09:25:35 (#19 of 64)

Yes, a rural, Celtic, obedient Ireland, surrendered to priest craft and abuse.Thankfully almost all of that has been left behind

RosyLovelady - 04 May 2021 09:29:32 (#20 of 64)

A papist Gehenna.

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