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Started by KanKhaderKhanKan on May 26, 2021 2:04:04 PM
Cummings to parliament: Cabinet Secretary suggested treat COVID19 like chickenpox and encourage spreading via chickenpox parties

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So 'herd immunity' initially was the default position? Would certainly explained why both the government and the newspapers who rely on the government for stories) not only initially opposed lockdown and chauvinistically ridiculed any possibility of the UK learning from Italy's experience with COVID19 (e.g. see Dan Hodges infamous tweet) but also dismissed those of in the UK who wanted a more cautious approach as 'hipster analysis' even though it meant COVID19 'roared through the care homes'?

KanKhaderKhanKan - 26 May 2021 14:09:18 (#1 of 111)

But you know what shocks me more? Is the level of collusion the press played in enabling for a brief period the whole 'herd immunity' approach. Number 1 on that list? The BBC's own reporters:

Why? Because 'government sources' told her to do so. After all who gets to be 'chief Westminster bubble correspondent' without accepting the fact that their prime role is to be a stenographer for a mendacious government?

I treat most journos in this country with contempt since most them can't tell the difference between PR and legitimate news coverage or between a fact and an assertion. BBC journos are top of that list. If it weren't for 'journalists' like them then maybe the UK wouldn't have a 100K death rate?

bailliegillies - 26 May 2021 14:45:52 (#2 of 111)

Newspapers don't do news anymore, it's either opinions, gossip or tits, bums and innuendo. All of which sell better than news and keeps the public's mind of what's really happening.

AdonisBlue - 26 May 2021 14:51:47 (#3 of 111)

A man who was the architect of herd immunity and then ignored lockdown by driving up to Barnard castle expects us to believe anything he says?

AdonisBlue - 26 May 2021 14:52:56 (#4 of 111)

I do agree about the problem with corruption and political journalists though.

Jacob_Richter - 26 May 2021 14:53:43 (#5 of 111)

He's probably correct here. We knew the govt advocated herd immunity and then lied that they did.

dreams99 - 26 May 2021 14:55:14 (#6 of 111)

According to his testimony, Mark Sedwill was encouraging Johnson to go on tv to tell people to have covid parties to catch the disease and build up immunity. If that's really the case, Sedwill should be in a lot of trouble.

dreams99 - 26 May 2021 14:55:31 (#7 of 111)

A man who was the architect of herd immunity

But he wasn't.

mingmong - 26 May 2021 15:00:21 (#8 of 111)

It was quite a widespread view in the UK during the period that Cummings is talking about

I'm not sure this is going to be quite as devastating as Cummings had been hoping.

dreams99 - 26 May 2021 15:02:26 (#9 of 111)

It wasn't widespread among people who know what they're talking about, who are the people the government should have been listening to, rather than David fucking Halpern.

thisonehasalittlehat - 26 May 2021 15:06:03 (#10 of 111)

Yes it was always silly. I remember saying so at the time. Lot of hysterical nonsense about cummings wanting to kill old people. I mean the man is a cunt, don't get me wrong, but the herd immunity thing was clearly coming from the sage advisers all the way through.

AdonisBlue - 26 May 2021 15:06:58 (#11 of 111)

The chief government advisor was at the heart of government and could have prevented herd immunity strategy at the time if he felt so strongly.

Cummins is a weasel. He's already managed to convince a few in here of his innocence. Wormtongue personified.

breakfast - 26 May 2021 15:07:42 (#12 of 111)

It stuck with some people. Because initially Cummings was on board with them but then was one of the early ones to change his mind.

thisonehasalittlehat - 26 May 2021 15:09:06 (#13 of 111)

And because he comes across as the kind of person who would kill your granny.

ReverendBlueJeans - 26 May 2021 15:10:19 (#14 of 111)

No one invited me to a chickenpox party when I had chickenpox.


dreams99 - 26 May 2021 15:18:35 (#15 of 111)

Wormtongue personified

A Lord of the Rings reference? What are you, 12?

He's already managed to convince a few in here of his innocence.

Like who?

moto748 - 26 May 2021 15:18:51 (#16 of 111)

It's only in the last year or so that I'd even heard of chicken-pox parties or measles parties. I'm not saying they didn't happen, but I don't ever remember even hearing about them in my childhood, so find it hard to believe they were that common.

moto748 - 26 May 2021 15:19:49 (#17 of 111)

A Lord of the Rings reference? What are you, 12?

Says the man with the cheap snark. Wormtongue seem utterly appropriate to me.

GyratingTrampoline - 26 May 2021 15:21:56 (#18 of 111)

yeah me too

GreenFuture - 26 May 2021 15:35:04 (#19 of 111)

If it weren't for 'journalists' like them then maybe the UK wouldn't have a 100K death rate?

So what if 100,000 untermensch carked it last year? Shouldn't we arguing about an interview about someones marriage that was 25 years ago?

TauCeti - 26 May 2021 15:38:59 (#20 of 111)

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