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Started by bossab2 on Oct 7, 2021 12:54:25 PM
£80k MP Salary ""I don't know how they manage. It's really grim,"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58827100

Vile entitled Tory cunt whines that he needs £110k a year to bother getting out of bed.

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GyratingTrampoline - 07 Oct 2021 13:29:55 (#1 of 387)

Vile tory cuts aside this £20 thing shows me how out of touch I am with the lives of many people in this country. Because I could choose to spend £20 for any reason at all, like takeaway for my family or a round of drinks in a pub or something for a DIY project and the decision would have no obvious consequence to my finances for the rest of the month.

The reality that so many people are seriously hurt by having £20 taken off them shows that they obviously can't just spend £20 because they feel like it. Must be a hard and different world for them.

AdonisBlue - 07 Oct 2021 13:31:34 (#2 of 387)

Boss, you'd be amazed at the lack of self awareness of some people.

FrankieTeardrop - 07 Oct 2021 12:36:59 (#3 of 387)

GT - yes, I know what you mean. However I think there is some disingenuous reporting in this - a £20 cut, often expressed without reference to how often the £20 is paid, sounds a lot less than £86 per month. I expect this was done specifically to make it sound like less of a big deal than it actually is.

Could you spend £86 without thinking about it? If you were on £22k a year, would you like to suddenly by on £21k a year? Rhetorical questions - just makes it sound more serious than a "£20 cut"

quattrobhoy - 07 Oct 2021 13:36:59 (#4 of 387)

It's old but worthy of repetition..

Iain Duncan Smith’s claim he could live on £53 a week fell apart last night after evidence emerged of a £39 breakfast he tried to put on expenses.

The Work and Pensions Secretary was accused of “living in a different world” after the Mirror uncovered his taste for the morning blow-out which would leave just £14 to see him through the rest of the week.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/iain-duncan-smith-claimed-breakfast-1810086

Of course anyone could live on £53 a week, if they could apparently expense so much else.

dreams99 - 07 Oct 2021 13:39:05 (#5 of 387)

Bottomley isn't the worst of the Tories, but he's getting on a bit. He's obviously personally peeved that after a lifetime of being an MP (he's now Father of the House) he earns less than s GP, but 1) a GP actually needs a qualification and several years experience to do the role, an MP can be a total dunce and lazy with it and still have a job, and 2) if money was such an issue he could have quit after 20 years and become a banker like his mates.

I think his main point is not so much how he's doing financially, it's the fact that talented people go into other professions because they offer more money and job security, so the Tory party ends up with a cabinet full of talentless ideologues (although maybe, as in the US under Trump, we're saved from the worst of their ideology by their incompetence), and people whose only objective is to use politics as a revolving door into well rumenrated professions afterwards, such as banking, lobbying and consultancy.

Anyway, tone-deaf at the best of times, especially now.

Lento_ - 07 Oct 2021 13:40:36 (#6 of 387)

I don't have a huge amount of sympathy with their arguments over low pay when they also get on top of that a huge amount in expenses, including enough to pay for a second home to live in.

AdonisBlue - 07 Oct 2021 13:40:59 (#7 of 387)

Ah the old argument about pay peanuts get monkeys. As used by every charity worker on 6 figure salaries.

Most of the biggest bell ends in parliament have other sources of income. Paying them more wouldn't eliminate the likes of Boris.

browserbutton - 07 Oct 2021 13:41:36 (#8 of 387)

Bottomley used to be a lorry driver, before he became a Tory.

FrankieTeardrop - 07 Oct 2021 12:42:04 (#9 of 387)

Anyway, tone-deaf at the best of times, especially now.


Perhaps that's partly why he doesn't earn as much as he thinks he should...

HouseOfLametta - 07 Oct 2021 13:43:01 (#10 of 387)

I think his main point is not so much how he's doing financially, it's the fact that talented people go into other professions

But also "how he is doing financially".

dreams99 - 07 Oct 2021 13:45:48 (#11 of 387)

Bottomley used to be a lorry driver, before he became a Tory.

Odd, given he had a degree in economics from Cambridge. He's not the sharpest tool in the box, he never became a cabinet minister (unlike his wife) despite his years of loyal service.

InternationalVicar - 07 Oct 2021 13:47:15 (#12 of 387)

GPs only get more than MPs because of a mistake made by MPs.

HouseOfLametta - 07 Oct 2021 13:50:41 (#13 of 387)

If he really was a lorry driver there's an obvious way he could improve his financial position. It's not like he's busy now.

Macpaddy - 07 Oct 2021 13:53:03 (#14 of 387)

Get off the poor man's back. There's only room for one of us.

GreenFuture - 07 Oct 2021 13:59:09 (#15 of 387)

MP pay is neither modest nor extravagant. That's fine. It's about headteacher or GP level I guess.

The expenses are still fairly generous though, and within limits that is fine too.

What sucks is the donations, side gigs and second jobs.

Some of that is ok, but some is clearly corrupt, distracting or a conflict of interest.

One blag that makes me fume is the 'need' to be a director or whatever 'to stay in touch with the real world'

There are a host of other ways of doing that, including....deep relationships with actual constituents.(No sniggering at the back, it's a serious point)

darkhorse - 07 Oct 2021 14:06:28 (#16 of 387)

I suspect the lorry driver comment was meant tongue-in-cheek...

AdonisBlue - 07 Oct 2021 14:06:51 (#17 of 387)

99% of the letters an MP receives from their constituents are batshit crazy.

DesEsseintes - 07 Oct 2021 14:08:08 (#18 of 387)

Top end of trade union general secretaries get more than Tory MPs it's true. Maybe loser Tory MPs should give up on loser Tory politics and do that instead.

AdonisBlue - 07 Oct 2021 14:16:19 (#19 of 387)

Dam loser Tories keep winning elections. What a bunch of losers.

Ginmonkey - 07 Oct 2021 14:21:45 (#20 of 387)

There are two different issues here.

1. Whether MPs should get paid more than £82k

2. If it"grim" having to love on £82k a year.

There is a case for looking at issue 1. Issue 2 is clearly nonsense and just whining.

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