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Started by HorseEasyEast on Jun 22, 2013 6:40:31 PM
The NSA thread

There are too many threads about the spying program recently uncovered.

Hopefully, we can amalgamate opinions, articles, and so on, here.

Let's start with Snowden being charged with espionage, see post #1.

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HorseEasyEast - 22 Jun 2013 18:42:30 (#1 of 2439)

By Greenwald, the journalist that brought us Ed Snowden,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/2
2/snowden-espionage-charges

HorseEasyEast - 22 Jun 2013 18:45:07 (#2 of 2439)

Most recently, from the South China Morning Post (an Hong Kong English Daily), is this.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1266821/us-hacks-chinese-mobile-phone-companies-steals-sms-data-edward-snowden

They appear to have direct contact with Snowden now.

AdrianNTierney - 22 Jun 2013 18:46:24 (#3 of 2439)

One might remember that the principle reason for the passage of the 1917 Espionage Act was to put ALL socialists and socialist-leaning persons in the US into prison for at least the duration of WW I.

HorseEasyEast - 22 Jun 2013 18:50:47 (#4 of 2439)

On how something like NSA surveillance can be both legal and unconstitutional, a contribution of the Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/nsa-surveillance-may-be-legal--but-its-unconstitutional/2013/06/21/b9ddec20-d44d-11e2-a73e-826d299ff459_story.html?tid=rssfeed

HorseEasyEast - 22 Jun 2013 18:57:38 (#5 of 2439)

Mass demonstrations being prepared to defend the 4th amendment on this coming July 4th.

http://www.restorethefourth.net/

MrNatural - 22 Jun 2013 18:58:38 (#6 of 2439)

Here's a nice 2001 pic of Democrats and Republicans squatting together and group-excreting the Patriot Act:

http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-06/timeline-wiretapping-united-states

'group-excreting' - lol; I love this place.

HorseEasyEast - 22 Jun 2013 19:01:25 (#7 of 2439)

Ha. That's a lovely pic of old grey haired white men Mr. Nat.

So depressing that our first black skinned man in that office doesn't seem to have the balls or the give a damn, to be the change he campaigned on.

Brunothecat - 22 Jun 2013 19:02:58 (#8 of 2439)

"Yes we can tap your phone, computers and electronic data"

MrNatural - 22 Jun 2013 19:03:16 (#9 of 2439)

lol.

Brunothecat - 22 Jun 2013 19:04:21 (#10 of 2439)

"Yes we can kill people rather than put them on trial if its difficult to arrest them"

HorseEasyEast - 22 Jun 2013 19:05:38 (#11 of 2439)

That's the way it is as of now, bruno. Crazy but true.

AdrianNTierney - 22 Jun 2013 19:24:22 (#12 of 2439)

One rather wonders what today's Brits would make of Bomber Harris.

MrNatural - 22 Jun 2013 19:24:29 (#13 of 2439)

EFF: June 21st

In Depth Review: New NSA Documents Expose How Americans Can Be Spied on Without A Warrant

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/06/depth-review-new-nsa-documents-expose-how-americans-can-be-spied-without-warrant

HorseEasyEast - 22 Jun 2013 19:32:11 (#14 of 2439)

Thanks for the link Mr. N.

Here's Hoover's wikipedia page. No president in 4 decades was able to get rid of this guy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover

AsteriosPolyp - 22 Jun 2013 19:32:54 (#15 of 2439)

One rather wonders what today's Brits would make of Bomber Harris.

He was a murderer in uniform.

AdrianNTierney - 22 Jun 2013 19:36:01 (#16 of 2439)

Is Aster postulating that Bomber Harris should have dropped his drawers, bent over, and waited for a Nazi bomb?

AsteriosPolyp - 22 Jun 2013 19:37:39 (#17 of 2439)

Try asking him.

FleurDuMal - 22 Jun 2013 19:41:34 (#18 of 2439)

Here's a place they hang out:

http://www.vrap.co.uk/photographs/aerial/uk/299

MrNatural - 22 Jun 2013 21:31:28 (#19 of 2439)

What really constitutes Terrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrorism in today's America:

The Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation Deputy Director Sherwin Smith is warning citizens to think before they start raising concerns about water quality because they could be charged with making terroristic threats. Smith told Maury County resident that unfounded complaints could be considered an “act of terrorism” and turned over the the police and the FBI. The meeting followed complaints about water quality in Mt. Pleasant, Tennessee where children have become ill drinking the water.



http://jonathanturley.org/2013/06/21/not-so-pleasant-tennessee-water-officials-warn-citizens-that-complaints-about-water-quality-could-be-treated-as-terroristic-threats/

brooklyn - 22 Jun 2013 23:11:02 (#20 of 2439)

true, tennessee is officially part of america. (despite their best efforts to leave, once.) still, I think it's a little hard to suggest that this is today's America version of what is terrorism.

is every anti-semitic comment made by, say, a Pole, to be considered a statement of EU views about Jews?

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