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Started by pfft2lind on 18-Dec-2013 04:20:06
Guns saves lives

http://gunssavelives.net/category/self-defense/

and

http://www.amazon.com/Guns-Save-Lives-Americans-Defending/dp/1559502266 Guns Saves Lives contains true stories of Americans who altered the course of their lives and others by their use of firearms. They stayed alive and, in many instances, saved the lives of loved ones. They saved the lives of untold others from violence their assailants were trying to commit. They changed the lives of the thugs significantly, at least temprorarily, by sending them to jail, or permanently by killing them outright. Robert Waters interviewed the citizen defenders in this book and makes their stories available in far greater detail that the local media cared to. The hidden side of the gun ownership story is seldom told, but Robert Waters does so in this book.

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pfft2lind - 18 Dec 2013 04:21:20 (#1 of 14531)

The more I hear about any talk of gun control, the more I want to own a gun or 2 or more. And at this time I own none.

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nebulosus - 18 Dec 2013 04:32:13 (#2 of 14531)

Probably should. When I lived in the States, I always had a couple of guns. Crazy not to-

pfft2lind - 18 Dec 2013 04:35:15 (#3 of 14531)

Where were you?

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nebulosus - 18 Dec 2013 04:39:00 (#4 of 14531)

Good question. I used be right of center but given the tectonic shift to the right, I think I am now left of center.

Tokyo- obsessed with geological metaphors-

pfft2lind - 18 Dec 2013 04:41:25 (#5 of 14531)

I meant in the U.S.

But. . .carry on on your trip if you must

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nebulosus - 18 Dec 2013 04:42:50 (#6 of 14531)

Oh, I said when I livED in the States- 25 years ago. East coast mostly, NJ, PA and MD.

pfft2lind - 18 Dec 2013 04:44:16 (#7 of 14531)

O.K. I am familiar with those places. Never carried a gun though.Paterson N.J. during the 60's was quite trying

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GDan205 - 20 Dec 2013 13:36:33 (#8 of 14531)

IMO, the maintaining of a firearm for defense of home and family is much like having health, fire, or auto insurance. It is an insurance people should have while, like other insurance, they hope never they to have to use.

Other then preventive measures the police cannot protect citizens. It is up to citizens to protect themselves. Having firearm 'insurance' goes a long way towards having that protection.

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cozzer - 20 Dec 2013 13:41:21 (#9 of 14531)

the maintaining of a firearm for defense of home and family is much like having health, fire, or auto insurance



Except that having health, fire or auto insurance doesn't make it more likely that you will get ill, have your house burn down or be in a car accident.

Guns Saves Lives contains true stories of Americans who altered the course of their lives and others by their use of firearms.



The data is not the plural of anecdote.

JDW70Wellwhynot - 20 Dec 2013 13:45:32 (#10 of 14531)

Is it not possible that gun control would take away the guns of the bad guy thus giving the honest citizen nothing to defend himself against?

TinyMcOtter - 20 Dec 2013 13:51:43 (#11 of 14531)

Having strong social welfare, healthcare, community involvement, high quality education and employment opportunities saves far more lives (and improves the quality of those lives).

Adding more guns into the mix, merely adds to the premature death statistics.

GDan205 - 20 Dec 2013 13:51:49 (#12 of 14531)

Coz, http://notthetalk.com/discussion/listfrom/3742841

"Except that having health, fire or auto insurance doesn't make it more likely that you will get ill, have your house burn down or be in a car accident."

Where is your data that shows having a firearm in the home increases the chance of your home being invaded by criminals? In fact the opposite is true. A study of institutionalized career criminals shows they fear an armed home owner more then the police.

Also there are the studies that show armed citizens stop appox 50% of violent crimes and do so over 90% of the time without firing a shot.

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cozzer - 20 Dec 2013 13:54:10 (#13 of 14531)

Where is your data that shows having a firearm in the home increases the chance of your home being invaded by criminals?



I didn't say that. It increases your chances of being shot.

In fact the opposite is true



How do the criminals know you have a gun before they break in?

In fact, why are American criminals so stupid as to break in to an occupied house?

GDan205 - 20 Dec 2013 13:56:53 (#14 of 14531)

JDW, http://notthetalk.com/discussion/listfrom/3742857

"Is it not possible that gun control would take away the guns of the bad guy thus giving the honest citizen nothing to defend himself against?"

IMO, while stricker firearms laws may end up restricting the ability of law abiding citizens being able to defend themselves, no laws can disarm criminals who pay no attention to laws to begin with.

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Bonusy - 20 Dec 2013 13:57:46 (#15 of 14531)

no laws can disarm criminals who pay no attention to laws to begin with.

Not arming them to start with would be a better place to start from.

Explicity2 - 20 Dec 2013 13:59:23 (#16 of 14531)

It increases your chances of being shot.

In large numbers, by yourself. Suicide rates go up as gun is easy and present.

GDan205 - 20 Dec 2013 13:59:53 (#17 of 14531)

Tiny, http://notthetalk.com/discussion/listfrom/3742877

While I would agree these things may reduce crime, I do not agree with your "Adding more guns into the mix, merely adds to the premature death statistics." statement.

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lapsedcat - 20 Dec 2013 14:00:45 (#18 of 14531)

Gun owners get more sex.





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Explicity2 - 20 Dec 2013 14:01:27 (#19 of 14531)

no laws can disarm criminals who pay no attention to laws to begin with.

See, this bugs me. Most criminals obey most laws most of the time. They don't drive on the wrong side, for example.

When they break laws, it's usually knowingly and having balanced up the risks (subconsciously, maybe) against the benefits. Given that guns haven't stopped burglaries, they must have a pressing need to burgle.

brooklyn - 20 Dec 2013 14:01:59 (#20 of 14531)

<<Also there are the studies that show armed citizens stop appox 50% of violent crimes and do so over 90% of the time without firing a shot.>>

really? a phone survey, perhaps, in which 3% of the callers brag that they stopped a crime with a gun? we've been over this ground many times before. these "studies" are utter nonsense. more people will respond that they've seen UFOs than will say that they stopped a crime with a gun.

I especially enjoyed the respondent who said that she had, in the previous year, stopped 52 rape attempts on her by displaying a pistol. she is just spending Saturday nights in the wrong bar.

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