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Started by anarchy on 09-Aug-2014 16:50:36
The US bombing its own guns perfectly sums up America’s total failure in Iraq

When President Obama announced US airstrikes in Iraq, most observers understood that the US would be bombing members of ISIS. What many did not know was that, in a twist of such bitterly symbolic irony that it could only occur in the Middle East, the US would also be bombing hundreds of millions of dollars worth of American military equipment.

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/8/5982501/the-us-is-now-bombing-its-own-military-equipment-in-iraq

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anarchy - 09 Aug 2014 16:53:39 (#1 of 3049)

More craziness - which will, no doubt be justified by some.

How the US sent $12bn in cash to Iraq. And watched it vanish

In the year after the invasion of Iraq in 2003 nearly 281 million notes, weighing 363 tonnes, were sent from New York to Baghdad for disbursement to Iraqi ministries and US contractors. Using C-130 planes, the deliveries took place once or twice a month with the biggest of $2,401,600,000 on June 22 2004, six days before the handover.

Details of the shipments have emerged in a memorandum prepared for the meeting of the House committee on oversight and government reform which is examining Iraqi reconstruction. Its chairman, Henry Waxman, a fierce critic of the war, said the way the cash had been handled was mind-boggling. "The numbers are so large that it doesn't seem possible that they're true. Who in their right mind would send 363 tonnes of cash into a war zone?"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/08/usa.i
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AmericanWoman - 09 Aug 2014 16:55:13 (#2 of 3049)

Iraq was stable (Obama's own words!) and because of his ideology, his political motivatio or his supreme arrogance in not wanting to deal with Malaki, (or all three) it's now a disaster. Congratulations.

freedutchman - 09 Aug 2014 16:58:58 (#3 of 3049)

Iraq always was a mess and will be a mess for as long as the old post colonial borders exist.

The final solution is simple:

Sunnistan run by Sunni moderates, free Kurdistan run by the Kurds and Shiatestan run by the successor of Nouri Maliki who has been a complete failure.

Joe Biden was right from the start!

Biden: Split Iraq into 3 different regions

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/200
6-05-01-biden-iraq_x.htm


PS. But who the hell is Malaki?

mmuskin - 09 Aug 2014 17:03:45 (#4 of 3049)

The USA should formally declare war upon itself. Come to think of it, more and more American citizens are coming to the conclusion that their own government has already covertly declared war upon its own constituents. What would it look like if the US Government covertly declared a second US Civil War but no mainstream media reported such an important fact? Perhaps it would appear as current world and US "news" reporting does.

Many Russians also appear to feel the same about Vlad Putin.

AmericanWoman - 09 Aug 2014 17:05:06 (#5 of 3049)

Yes, lets worry about all those things that muskin obsesses about and ignore the genocide going on.....

BTW, the government does suck, I'll give you that. Glad yo are now on board with a smaller more representative government.

IQ76again - 09 Aug 2014 17:18:48 (#6 of 3049)

Iraq was stable (Obama's own words!) and because of his ideology, his political motivatio or his supreme arrogance in not wanting to deal with Malaki, (or all three) it's now a disaster. Congratulations.

Iraq could be stable only with dictator like saddam hussein in charge or then huge military involvement from USA to eternity.

Iraq never was suited, with sunnis, shias, kurdis, in three different regions, working as democracy.

US reaps what it saw from Bush era.

pfft2lind - 09 Aug 2014 17:21:05 (#7 of 3049)

US reaps what it saw from Bush era.

I think it goes back quite a bit more years than that

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HorseEasyEast - 09 Aug 2014 17:24:36 (#8 of 3049)

A military industrialist dream! Why didn't we think of this earlier!

MestangloMan - 09 Aug 2014 17:33:29 (#9 of 3049)

I think it goes back quite a bit more years than that

Feisal, please do a photo op with Mr. Weizman, old chap, for the team. Let us end all wars with a Modern Middle East, what do you say, Old boy?

But the Arabs must not get screwed, Ok, Lawrence?

There is no reason to bring sex into a discussion about the Middle East, Feisal. Let's keep this just a tad neutral...

MestangloMan - 09 Aug 2014 17:37:23 (#10 of 3049)

Damn, I don't have Mecca anymore, Lawrence.

What about Irakistan, old boy?

Jolly effing good.

Well, you say that now. Sign here...

AdrianNTierney - 09 Aug 2014 17:42:29 (#11 of 3049)

The Ottoman's had the right prescription for the Arabs of course.

"Behave, pay your taxes, and shut up. Or else ...".

MestangloMan - 09 Aug 2014 17:45:01 (#12 of 3049)

Well, we could hand it over to Erdogan. That would be worth a few laughs. As easy as suggesting that Dems, Europeans, and others had no role in the shit hole that is modern Iraq.

But, alas, what is a balanced view worth these days, eh, other than a clean conscience?

IQ76again - 09 Aug 2014 18:04:34 (#13 of 3049)

I think it goes back quite a bit more years than that

Sure, but you destabilized Iraq with removal of saddam. So you own what has happened since. Lots of dead people since and fighting within remains and just intensifies.

pushkin - 09 Aug 2014 18:19:38 (#14 of 3049)

That.

MestangloMan - 09 Aug 2014 18:26:43 (#15 of 3049)

Plus if the Europeans felt any sense of obligation to this view of Iraq they wouldn't have pushed so hard to invade Libya and knock out Mubarak in Egypt. But they felt they had to get in "front" of the Arab Spring and the Obama administration went along for the ride.

And now that Spring has turned to shit, with jihadis streaming in and out from Libya, from Europe, North America into Syria and Iraq.

Obama and his European allies own a shitload of it, along with Clinton, Bush, and Cheney. And they can have the sobs. Of course, those who scream the loudest win the war on these threads.

But reality in Iraq is being viewed by the current generation of incompetents from D.C. to London to Paris, etc. And the can is being kicked down the road.

What else can they do, being outsiders?

FluffyKitten - 09 Aug 2014 18:26:46 (#16 of 3049)

Sure, but you destabilized Iraq with removal of saddam.

It wasn't just the removal of Saddam. It was the utter incompetence of the Bush administration in dealing with the aftermath. The CPA and Bremer couldn't have done a worse job if they were actively working against US interests - declaring Baath party members unemployable, chucking the Army out of a job, opening the country to plunder and so on.

AmericanWoman - 09 Aug 2014 18:32:10 (#17 of 3049)

Iraq could be stable only with dictator like saddam hussein in charge or then huge military involvement from USA to eternity.

Iran WAS stable when the US left.

Iraq never was suited, with sunnis, shias, kurdis, in three different regions, working as democracy.

I can agree that Iraq should be separate states. So why is OBama trying so hard to force it into one?

US reaps what it saw from Bush era.

? Whatever.

MestangloMan - 09 Aug 2014 18:32:30 (#18 of 3049)

So you own what has happened since. Lots of dead people since and fighting within remains

pfft2lind "owns" Iraq?

Is this the new line from old Europa?

I think we've seen this movie before many times. Doesn't solve a thing.

AmericanWoman - 09 Aug 2014 18:32:49 (#19 of 3049)

I think it goes back quite a bit more years than that

Europe's hand is all over this. They drew up the maps to suit themselves.

MestangloMan - 09 Aug 2014 18:33:32 (#20 of 3049)

Europe's hand is all over this.

Plus they are closer in terms of geography, even with 9/11.

Same old USA folder, different day.

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