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Started by Policywatcher on Mar 12, 2017 7:46:17 PM
Thank your local vaxxers...
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AdrianNTierney - 13 Mar 2017 00:07:07 (#1 of 701)

And yet this 'movement' (more akin to a bowel movement, eh?) began in the UK.

How's that going, pw?

Pentecost - 13 Mar 2017 00:21:17 (#2 of 701)

Where it began - yes. Where the largest number of stupid people who embrace it are - oh.

AdrianNTierney - 13 Mar 2017 02:17:58 (#3 of 701)

Let's see, population of the UK ... ?

Population of the US ... ?

Per capita stupidity ratio?

Pretty much the same, one supposes. Ot is possibly contagious in the tighter confines of the UK?

virgil5 - 13 Mar 2017 03:00:45 (#4 of 701)

Who cares?

Stupid is in charge.

In the US, we made it easier to identify just who Stupid is by letting them 'work' out of the Whitehouse.

Kind of like putting a guy who wants to blow up the store out front in a display window, hoping that'll drum up business.

So far, luckily, consumers are either ignoring it or are too stupid to know what's going on, so the economy continues to flourish.

How long Stupid can get away thinking it's doing anything right while trying to spend outrageous amounts on Giant Wall and other boondoggles is the question.

Samsonite - 13 Mar 2017 03:50:46 (#5 of 701)

which is more stupid, Trump or Brexit?

Geribaldi - 13 Mar 2017 03:52:35 (#6 of 701)

Both phenomena come from a similar reaction arguably ...

Samsonite - 13 Mar 2017 03:57:22 (#7 of 701)

yep, stupidity.



and apathy, if everyone voted, we'd probably have neither.

Geribaldi - 13 Mar 2017 04:00:13 (#8 of 701)

I think people who are against vaccines are very ignorant. However, the issue doesn't stop there. Should the state have the right to force someone to get vaccinated?

And I am sure millions of illegals coming to the USA have nothing to do with it. And please don't tell me that therefore the answer is "comprehensive immigration reform ..." Yawn.

Samsonite - 13 Mar 2017 04:19:10 (#9 of 701)

We might have had a discussion Geri, and then you had to build a strawman. How the fuck did you get from foolishness of anti-vaxers (and the Trump/Brexit phenomena) to immigration.

Geribaldi - 13 Mar 2017 04:24:16 (#10 of 701)

Oh, I thought we were discussing, however tangentially, the cause of the rise in the mumps.

Sorry, I didn't realize we were forbidden from bringing up any other possible causes. Silly me.

brooklyn - 13 Mar 2017 04:29:03 (#11 of 701)

<<Should the state have the right to force someone to get vaccinated?>>

yes. just as it has the right to limit your speed on the highway, draft you, make you go to school, require that you install a fire alarm, and oblige you to pay your workers a minimum wage.

and that polio vaccine I took? it tasted like the sugar cube it was.

Geribaldi - 13 Mar 2017 04:57:52 (#12 of 701)

You don't have to drive on a highway, so if you choose to, you should adhere to the rules. But to force someone to be shot up with a drug, based on what power?

Geribaldi - 13 Mar 2017 05:04:06 (#13 of 701)

Maybe the same imaginary federal power that forces us to purchase healthcare? Oh I forgot, that's a tax. Don't tell Obama.

Bleu11 - 13 Mar 2017 05:54:51 (#14 of 701)

> And yet this 'movement' (more akin to a bowel movement, eh?) began in the UK.

Yeah. You people, you have made our idiots advertise their idiocy. Tsk.

Ginmonkey - 13 Mar 2017 06:23:22 (#15 of 701)

At least the in the UK the idiot who started this was struck off the medical register and prevented from practicing medicine for fraudulent and unethical behaviour.

FleurDuMal - 13 Mar 2017 06:37:21 (#16 of 701)

Australia are apparently introducing a policy that children have to be vaccinated if their parents want them to go to nursery.

rearranged - 13 Mar 2017 06:49:59 (#17 of 701)

And I am sure millions of illegals coming to the USA have nothing to do with it.

Every country in the Americas except for Ecuador, the Cayman Islands, HaitI and Paraguay have vaccination rates over the level required for herd immunity. The USA is towards the lower end of the list, with 28 countries in the Americas having higher vaccination rates and only 10 having lower rates.

http://ais.paho.org/phip/viz/im_coveragebyvaccine.
asp

Policywatcher - 13 Mar 2017 10:40:54 (#18 of 701)

> AdrianNTierney - 13 Mar 2017 00:07:07 ( #1 of 17)

> How's that going, pw?

Not good. Almost exactly the same as yours for MMR.

Which given that we had our "warning" outbreak in 2012 is pretty bloody poor. Let's hope that the US takes more note of its growing outbreak - the reason this story is in US - than some Brits did.

Back in the 2004, levels had plummeted from 92% to 80%.

We're nationally back to 91% again - it was higher, but it's dipping again.

The main problem, here as there, is a segment of the press (well, the Daily Mail) anyway, that prints articles sympathetic to the vaxxers and encourages the view that it's unfair to criticise them.

Over here, the movement took more of a hit, I think, than there, when Wakefield got struck off, which is good - over here he's seen very much as a fraud. And while we have few significant anti-vaxxer celebs, they don't tend to get as much in the way of approving coverage (outside the mail)...

Policywatcher - 13 Mar 2017 10:45:17 (#19 of 701)

PS don't think I didn't notice your effort to make this about US vs UK with the implication that I was overlooking the origins or excusing the mail and the vaxxers.

The point is that the US has an outbreak now which makes it currently a US trigger for the discussion.

AmericanWoman - 13 Mar 2017 12:23:04 (#20 of 701)

And I am sure millions of illegals coming to the USA have nothing to do with it. And please don't tell me that therefore the answer is "comprehensive immigration reform ..." Yawn.

It's a combination of that plus moronic rich liberal people who spout the anti-vax mantra. I'm all for natural foods and stuff but I also don't want to die from measles. Actually I HAD measles before there was a vaccine.

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