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Started by jobi258 on 09-Aug-2017 00:31:01
Fired from Google!

Read, learn, and inwardly digest.

Then comment.

Let's see if we can have an intelligent discussion about the issues raised in this memo ...

HorseEasyEast - 09 Aug 2017 00:47:29 (#1 of 131)

he's a wanker

AdrianNTierney - 09 Aug 2017 01:26:47 (#2 of 131)

Actually, the poor fool had a vague point but he never made it clear. A comparison between the percentage of female students, undergrad and grad, in the hard sciences, particularly comp science, might have made his point a bit clearer in a more clever way.

You cannot hire people without don't have the needed background if they aren't in the supply chain. Can you?

Garden - 09 Aug 2017 07:06:44 (#3 of 131)

I must say the dude relies, to a remarkable degree for someone in the industry vanguard, on the phrase "on average".

IMHO he should read less Psychology Today and Google shouldn't have fired him. They should chain him to his desk and let the women pee on him.

Dementor - 09 Aug 2017 07:17:35 (#4 of 131)

For the sake of a bit of fearless iconoclasm, I can't say I've met many female programmers really absorbed in coding in the '18 hours straight at the keyboard, diet coke and pizza, full on autistic focus'' sense.

bossab2 - 09 Aug 2017 07:34:03 (#5 of 131)

Too long and rambling.

But his basic point is correct: 90% of the kids at school who are interested in tech are male.

Arjuna - 09 Aug 2017 07:46:15 (#6 of 131)

He is a dick but surely the point is whether it is a sackable offence. Was he involved in hiring and firing people?

HouseOfLammo - 09 Aug 2017 07:51:04 (#7 of 131)

Well, he is now.

bossab2 - 09 Aug 2017 07:52:10 (#8 of 131)

He's not a dick.

He's just written a rambling memo which I've summarised in one line: 90% of future tech employees are male, because women aren't interested in it.

Shabbyman - 09 Aug 2017 07:57:42 (#9 of 131)

There is a big difference between not being interested in something and, as he asserts, not having the aptitude for it.

Shabbyman - 09 Aug 2017 07:59:11 (#10 of 131)

Lots of techie blokes lack interpersonal skills and emotional intelligence and he sounds like one of them.

bossab2 - 09 Aug 2017 08:00:43 (#11 of 131)

Males and females aren't the same.

LobsangRampa - 09 Aug 2017 08:01:19 (#12 of 131)

He puts it badly. But sacking someone for questioning the idea that kids are a blank slate and everything is a result of cultural pressures seems a bit harsh. Anyone who has witnessed a boy on his first encounter with heavy earth moving equipment has to think that something else is going on.

Garden - 09 Aug 2017 08:17:18 (#13 of 131)

Boys and girls aren't the same. Boys want to destroy the world, girls want to save it.

Who would you hire?

machiavelli - 09 Aug 2017 08:17:49 (#14 of 131)

Is it common practice, or even officially encouraged, at Google for staff to circulate memos on social and cultural matters? If so, he's been unfairly treated.

Ginmonkey - 09 Aug 2017 08:31:40 (#15 of 131)

He has some interesting points, the rest of it is bad science and whingeing.

There are probably better and more constructive ways of questioning your employers approach to diversity and positive action than issuing whiney all staff memos that are littered with poorly researched "facts".

bossab2 - 09 Aug 2017 08:33:54 (#16 of 131)

Still a bit much to be fired for.

Ginmonkey - 09 Aug 2017 08:38:19 (#17 of 131)

I think Google's issue is that some of his "facts" may border on discriminatory statements - try replacing women with black people or disabled people in that memo and see what it looks like.

I think if that had been issued by an employee in my workplace, that has a few programmes to try and tackle the dominance of men and white people at the top tier of management, and you would at the very least find yourself in a long and uncomfortable meeting with HR.

xDiggy - 09 Aug 2017 08:42:43 (#18 of 131)

People with conservative political views don't get a fair hearing here!

I concede you may have a point. We should think about that.

And anyway girls can't do tech because their brains are made of shoes and ice cream!


Ginmonkey - 09 Aug 2017 08:47:15 (#19 of 131)

Exactly. He undermines whatever valid points he may have had by being a dick.

I has an issue with the diversity programme in one of my previous workplaces as they didn't consider class as an issue. However not being an entitled dick, I worked with HR through our union to see what we could do to assess the issue and address it.

bossab2 - 09 Aug 2017 08:50:00 (#20 of 131)

If 90% of the kids with the right academic background are male, then it doesn't matter what diversity programs you have.

Maybe Google should be funding more tech teachers.

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