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Started by AdrianNTierney on Nov 21, 2019 5:53:40 PM
Corruption's Supported by Democrats

So while a corrupt presidents being raked over the supposed-coals, Democrat Presidential candidates are implicitly supporting corruption.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/20/business/gm-fiat-chrysler-lawsuit.html?

Warren and Sanders support repeal of rights-to-work laws and support for ed union membership on all workers. All the while ignoring such common union phenomena such as the linked article demonstrates.

Oh, and the UAW president's resigned because he fudged his "expense accounts"!

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AdrianNTierney - 21 Nov 2019 21:18:05 (#1 of 52)

So by not posting on this thread, Democrats are implicitly admitting the basic truths of these small facts.

Garden - 21 Nov 2019 21:24:15 (#2 of 52)

Sweet Jesus, Adrian, you ought to know the difference between the plural and the possessive by now.

FFS.

AdrianNTierney - 21 Nov 2019 22:10:07 (#3 of 52)

Garden doubles down on #1.

And in which Universe is Garden currently ... 'residing'?

brooklyn - 21 Nov 2019 22:24:31 (#4 of 52)

leading off the thread-head article:

<<General Motors sued its rival Fiat Chrysler on Wednesday, asserting that it bribed United Auto Workers officials in contract negotiations to get a leg up on G.M. over the course of a decade.

Hours after G.M. filed the lawsuit, in federal court, the union’s president resigned as the U.A.W. took steps to oust him.>>

ant concludes that union corruption is the problem.

AdrianNTierney - 21 Nov 2019 23:12:11 (#5 of 52)

Union corruption is A problem, most certainly. Otherwise, why would the Feds have been investigating corrupt practices in the UAW?

Certainly, enough workers believe it's a problem that the UAW, among others, has been losing union certification elections for some time.

virgil5 - 22 Nov 2019 01:54:49 (#6 of 52)

What could be more corrupt than a tradition of governance leading to tyranny by a family or individual claiming "divine right" from some imaginary diety to impose their ignorance on the majority of the population?

That was the state of the human condition until only quite recently in the history of mankind, when others tried to devise a system where the majority could try to govern themselves in some way which would be fairer to all concerned.

That was only a few centuries ago, and whether that system will prevail is still in question.

Corruption, if viewed objectively in human history, is more the norm than the exception to the rule, and any moment when that corruption can be challenged and possibly remedied should be seen as a welcome, if inevitably doomed to failure, attempt to transcend human limitations for a better world.

Instead, we get pessimists like Adrian taking every opportunity to try to convince us that we're no damn good and shouldn't even bother trying to improve ourselves because it's futile, so let's forget about our silly fantasies of trying to be fair with each other, and revert to the 'good old days' when a king or a CEO supposedly always knew what was best for us, and therefore should be obeyed unthinkingly.

Perhaps the two party system has reached the end of its usefulness. Democrats *are* corrupt. Republicans *are* corrupt.

Let's just give up and admit that ignorant tyrants like Donald Trump are the future, and "democracy", that "worst of all systems" has been the failure that doomsayers like Adrian have always claimed.

Geribaldi - 22 Nov 2019 02:05:40 (#7 of 52)

ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz .......

virgil5 - 22 Nov 2019 02:09:53 (#8 of 52)

#7

"The sleep of Reason breeds monsters."

AdrianNTierney - 22 Nov 2019 20:53:24 (#9 of 52)

Virg - apparently reading comprehension is NOT among your more active skills!

Democracy does NOT depend upon human perfection, but rather the recognition that temptation is more easily resisted when the payoff is not guaranteed.

And there easiest and fairest way to achieve such a more blissful state is to welcome constant change. Such as applying those natural term limits built into every democratic government in the world. Those natural term limits for politicians called ELECTIONS!

IOW, (for those of limited comprehension), DO NOT vote for the same person year after year after year. Vote the old guys out of office just for being ... old! And stale, of courser.

Look at our current Congress where apparently lifelong seats exist with Members of Congress who've been in the same seat for thirty or more years.

CHANGE! It's GOOD for YOU!

Geribaldi - 22 Nov 2019 22:39:28 (#10 of 52)

ANT - If you want to see massive Dem corruption on a grand scale, check out California's public unions and the pensions their members get courtesy of the California taxpayer.

Moschops - 22 Nov 2019 22:54:59 (#11 of 52)

Pretty much every election these days throw up a variety of shit choices. But if you continually support the least shit, and reject the most shit, it will get better. And, despite their many flaws, the Democrats are by far the less shit option.

brooklyn - 22 Nov 2019 22:55:20 (#12 of 52)

indeed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/21/opinion/trump-republicans-corruption.html

virgil5 - 23 Nov 2019 03:04:09 (#13 of 52)

Union corruption and/or Management corruption.

You pays your money and you makes your choice.

Adrian likes Management. CEOs are given a pass.

Uppity working stiffs are the Adrian problem.

cozzer - 23 Nov 2019 06:07:56 (#14 of 52)

"The sleep of Reason breeds monsters."

But what about the sleep of Geribaldi?

machiavelli - 23 Nov 2019 08:13:09 (#15 of 52)

Pah! Call that corruption? Amateurs - This is corruption.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa

virgil5 - 23 Nov 2019 12:53:39 (#16 of 52)

Union thugs. Next it'll be union thugs with Sharia law.

brooklyn - 23 Nov 2019 13:32:25 (#17 of 52)

or MAGA hats.

GreenFuture - 23 Nov 2019 13:57:32 (#18 of 52)

10 Captain Whatabout points



If Trump isn’t impeached, Future Democrat presidents can cite precedent to extort foreign governments for dirt (fictional or otherwise) on any republican they deem a political threat



Poor AnT will have an apoplexy

AdrianNTierney - 23 Nov 2019 16:47:41 (#19 of 52)

Adrian likes Management. CEOs are given a pass.

The corruption of the CEO class is a different matter from that of the labor unions, of course. Primarily due to the small reality that union corruption is outright illegal while CEO corruption, while certainly harmful, is usually borderline legal. Unfortunately.

However, CEO's are easily displaced by stock market disapproval while union chiefs 'labor' in darkness.

AdrianNTierney - 23 Nov 2019 16:49:08 (#20 of 52)

Poor AnT will have an apoplexy

Since ALL presidents, in varying degrees have already been found culpable of such indiscreet activeities, one rather wonders about Grteen's historic al knowledge and background.

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