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Started by 1Nridi on Apr 21, 2020 4:16:01 PM
Explain to this American using NONPOLITICAL comments the psychology behind Trump supporters despite videos proving his lies

Please don’t defend Trump supporters. This thread is SERIOUSLY my appeal to have a psychological professional clearly explain how “normally” intelligent people continue to believe Trump even though they can easily research what he says is blatantly untrue.

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thisonehasalittlehat - 21 Apr 2020 16:27:42 (#1 of 74)

clearly explain how “normally” intelligent people...

I'd challenge your starting assumptions.

brooklyn - 21 Apr 2020 16:29:04 (#2 of 74)

may I use religious comments? many of these people believe that everyone who never heard of Jesus, back to the dawn of time, is in hell.

many of them believe that god created people and dinosaurs at the same time.

many of them don't believe in climate change.

many don't believe in fluoride and vaccines.

many expect the rapture.

many believe that they are covered with the blood of Jesus, and thus immune from a contagious fever.

FredDee - 21 Apr 2020 16:30:39 (#3 of 74)

Trump is clinically insane. That is a professional opinion.

And more people should say so openly.



https://www.salon.com/2020/04/18/trump-is-insane-and-its-time-for-leading-democrats-to-say-that-out-loud/

moto748 - 21 Apr 2020 16:34:04 (#4 of 74)

People believe what they want to believe. Most people aren't particularly evidence-based.

I also think understand inf of things like statistics amongst the general public is pretty poor. That certainly doesn't help either.

browserbutton - 21 Apr 2020 16:37:57 (#5 of 74)

His people love him. They're his most beautiful and perfect base, and he's already campaigning hard to survive -- using those insane press briefings as his stump.

Tadagee - 21 Apr 2020 16:51:08 (#6 of 74)

'This thread is SERIOUSLY my appeal to have a psychological professional...'

Yes, anonymous internet talkboards are definitely the place for such appeals.

Moschops - 21 Apr 2020 16:52:14 (#7 of 74)

I suspect a lot of them know Trump is lying but they don't care

thisonehasalittlehat - 21 Apr 2020 16:56:51 (#8 of 74)

Whatever. It's fun.

Oh look a nuke...

Arjuna - 21 Apr 2020 17:09:29 (#9 of 74)

many of them believe that god created people and dinosaurs at the same time

so they believe dinosaurs existed, I guess that is progress.

slumbermonger - 21 Apr 2020 17:28:57 (#10 of 74)

I know a couple of non-religious Trump supporters.

Their view seems to be based on a conviction that the bureaucracy and most of the media are working for the interests of their own, university-educated, class who support high immigration because it brings down labour costs and believe in a big state because it provides them with jobs.

They think all politicians lie and regard the criticism of Trump for this as naked hypocrisy because they don't think he lies anywhere near as much as mainstream politicians. They prefer his informal, ad hoc tone to the more traditional presidential style, which they see as snobbish. And they like his full-throated nationalism, which they see as straightforward patriotism.

A lot of their convictions seem to be fundamentally rooted in a total distrust of what they see as the establishment. So they believe the media just makes everything up or twists whatever Trump says. Needless to say, they never actually consume any media except Fox and its ilk, so their information about both Trump and his critics is filtered through that. Some of them are vehement anti-vaxxers. They see the coronavirus crisis as a conspiracy to extend state control.

It's all totally unhinged, but when people are that committed to a viewpoint, and so completely disbelieving of any authoritative sources of information, it's hopeless trying to argue with them.

Garden - 21 Apr 2020 17:34:13 (#11 of 74)

IMHO, it all boils down to primary narcissism and the fundamental belief that the individual is more important than the society in which he lives.

It's something that's been at the fringes of the American narrative for generations, but it was weaponized in the 1980s and now has gone nuclear.

thisonehasalittlehat - 21 Apr 2020 17:38:56 (#12 of 74)

It's mostly the bit in the middle that's three problem isn't it?

virgil5 - 21 Apr 2020 17:39:52 (#13 of 74)

Hard to avoid the politics.

The three friends I argue with, who've gone over to the Dark Side, in my opinion, constantly bring up their complete loathing of everything "Democratic".

They're voting against the values of the last decades, as practiced by the Democratic Party, especially personified by politicians like Hillary Clinton, for whom they have an especially rabid and fictional phobia of some kind, along with Barack Obama, who might as well be Satan incarnate.

My guess is: after long decades since the 60s (these people also think Jane Fonda won the war for commies in 'Nam) they have never liked the touchy-feely values and political correctness that have been dogging them for years and they think they finally see someone in Trmp who is speaking back to the Democratic Party conspiracy and getting away with it.

Completely barking bonkers.

moto748 - 21 Apr 2020 17:45:00 (#14 of 74)

The test, with Trump, is to sit anyone down in front of one of his nightly shows and make them watch the lot. If, after two hours of Trump boasting about what a good job he is doing, and how it's everybody else's fault except his own, and furthermore using the Presidential address as a buckshee Party Political Broadcast to slag off the Democrats, who have no right of reply...

they still think he's doing a good job,,

LOCK THEM UP!!

Garden - 21 Apr 2020 17:45:53 (#15 of 74)

It's mostly the bit in the middle that's three problem isn't it?

Translation please.

thisonehasalittlehat - 21 Apr 2020 17:46:48 (#16 of 74)

The bit between the coasts.

bossab2 - 21 Apr 2020 17:46:53 (#17 of 74)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

A psychological answer.

browserbutton - 21 Apr 2020 17:55:27 (#18 of 74)

Trump is riding the rodeo bull of the prevailing right-wing zeitgeist -- across the world there seems to be a growing appetite for a bellowing strongman.

Garden - 21 Apr 2020 17:56:04 (#19 of 74)

The bit between the coasts.

No, there's some of it everywhere, though in some flyover states it dominates. Those are states where a lot of people feel as if the system failed them, and perhaps it did. A hundred years ago they'd have moved on or starved to death, but nowadays they stay in place and nurse their resentments.

virgil5 - 21 Apr 2020 17:59:28 (#20 of 74)

The ones I argue with are all older, white male, somewhat overweight macho types who've had problems with women and are now facing their "golden years".

They like guns.

They like tobacco and hard liquor.

They like sports, especially major league American football.

They're afraid of blacks and gays.

They speak wistfully of Germany in the WWII era; the technology, the political incorrectness. I suspect they're anti-Semitic but they would never admit it.

In my opinion, they're having one last blast of repressed BILE before The Grim Reaper arrives.

So be it. Almost funny if it weren't so pathetic.

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