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Started by bossab2 on Jan 6, 2021 9:20:08 PM
Probability of USA Existing

Not looking good...

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Tricyrtis - 07 Jan 2021 07:41:56 (#1 of 60)

Just been looking at the headlines. Blimey...

HorstVogel - 07 Jan 2021 07:50:33 (#2 of 60)

The USA is not going to split, nor stop being.

mingmong - 07 Jan 2021 08:59:12 (#3 of 60)

A small bunch of goons throwing handfuls of their own shit at the walls egged on by a giant orange dictaphone which (through a strange quirk of cultural history) also happens to be president of the USA.

Weird, but it will all blow over and normality of a sort will soon be restored

Jacob_Richter - 07 Jan 2021 10:22:42 (#4 of 60)

Not sure it will. It's not just the storming of the Capitol but the bombing in Nashville, the sabotage of C19 vaccines. There's something deeper changing there.

Tinymcsmithy - 07 Jan 2021 10:31:38 (#5 of 60)

Weird, but it will all blow over and normality of a sort will soon be restored



I fear you are too trusting of the institutional longevity of norms.

HorstVogel - 07 Jan 2021 10:35:18 (#6 of 60)

it's not over, those twats have always been around

Tomnoddy - 07 Jan 2021 10:43:04 (#7 of 60)

Probably have a deeper look at what twats can say. The Constitution has been amended before.

FrankieTeardrop - 07 Jan 2021 11:07:23 (#8 of 60)

A small bunch of goons throwing handfuls of their own shit at the walls egged on by a giant orange dictaphone


Dictaphone?

lammaMia - 07 Jan 2021 12:05:35 (#9 of 60)

A quaint autocorrect of dick?

mingmong - 07 Jan 2021 14:53:18 (#10 of 60)

No, I was thinking of an actual dictaphone, or something like it. Vague rectangular shape with a droning voice. Maybe I should ask someone on twitter for a more correct meme

mingmong - 07 Jan 2021 14:56:38 (#11 of 60)

#4, #5

No, I've no doubt there are deep discontents in the US (and elsewhere), of which this is symptom. But I can't see this particular movement going much further and (tiny violin time) the most immediate consequence will be the fracturing of the Republican party and the political right in America

The worrying thing as others have pointed out is the degree of complicity from the security and police. Whether this is because they see the Trumpites as their own, or just that they're not sure whose orders they're meant to be following, is harder to say. Probably a bit of both.

HarveyRabbit - 07 Jan 2021 16:10:51 (#12 of 60)

I can't see this particular movement going much further.

If was a single movement whose raison d'etre evaporated when the charismatic leader was dethroned. But the forces at play form a broad spectrum, from the almost legit mainstream politician through free marketeers, libertarians, original constitutionalists and religious nuts to fundamentalists, flat earthers, the anti-science, anti-vax, truthers and apologists of hate. Then you have the really dangerous fringe.

The appeal of Trump is that he gave all these groups permission, status, airtime and the ability to counter argue with alternative facts. They're emboldened and are not going to simply melt away.

HarveyRabbit - 07 Jan 2021 16:13:34 (#13 of 60)

The worrying thing as others have pointed out is the degree of complicity from the security and police.

But exactly how do the security forces counter the overwhelming firepower of a flag on a stick?

ReverendBlueJeans - 07 Jan 2021 16:17:11 (#14 of 60)

Four people did die.

I think it's a little harsh to come close to regretting that they didn't kill more in the interests of racial equality.

brooklyn - 07 Jan 2021 16:23:53 (#15 of 60)

"dictaphone: noun. a telephone used for tweeting by one who would be a dictator."

otherwise, you are a lucky country when your fruitcakes are too incompetent to lead or carry out anything like a successful coup. this guy is president of the US, with strong popularity with many in police forces and the armed services. and the best he can come up with is to send a mob of partiers to the Capitol with no leader and without a plan for what to do after the party. what did trump think would happen? that the mob would move into the offices and start legislating?

Lenin is laughing hysterically. I hope our fruitcakes keep giving him cause to laugh.

mingmong - 07 Jan 2021 16:57:55 (#16 of 60)

I think you're right, brooklyn

While most people in America still have something to lose, this kind of thing will remain a minority interest. Looks to me like the high watermark of Trumpism, rather than its opening salvo.

Whether something similar but more dangerous emerges in its place is still an unknown. My guess is much depends on whether the US is able to reverse the trend of the last 30 years and start closing the income gap (same applies to the UK and most other western democracies)

TommyDGNR8 - 07 Jan 2021 16:58:38 (#17 of 60)

I'm slightly saddened that Hugo and Fidel aren't still around to see it. They'd probably have laughed themselves to death.

Jacob_Richter - 07 Jan 2021 17:42:17 (#18 of 60)

45 Percent of Republican Voters Support Storming of Capitol Building: Poll

https://www.newsweek.com/45-percent-republican-voters-support-storming-capitol-1559662

Jacob_Richter - 07 Jan 2021 17:54:06 (#19 of 60)

Interesting array of flags on show: Knights Templar, Confederate, Iranian monarchy and MEK(!), Israel, apartheid S.Africa, South Vietnam.

brooklyn - 07 Jan 2021 17:59:02 (#20 of 60)

at long last, the Stars and Bars crossed the Potomac and pressed on into the Capitol. fans of slavery everywhere, live and past, are on their feet cheering.

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