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Started by brooklyn on Mar 23, 2021 7:34:00 PM
The Police and the Citizenry

There's a lot going on. We haven't had a proper thread to deal with it: black lives matter, blue lives matter, the Capitol assault, and the like.

To start: the George Floyd trial is underway in Minnesota. See post 1.

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brooklyn - 23 Mar 2021 19:37:19 (#1 of 121)

the jury has been picked -- and I am startled that it was picked this quickly. it's a diverse jury:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/derek-chauvin-trial-explained

I thought the whole thing would be de-railed by the astonishingly astonishing decision by the state/local government to settle the civil case for multi-big bucks during jury selection. that is more than arguably prejudicial against the defense, but did not lead to a mistrial. we'll see what happens next.

Garden - 23 Mar 2021 19:55:19 (#2 of 121)

Is that the usual course of events, Brook, that they'll announce a huge civil settlement in the middle of jury selection for the criminal trial?

Right now my money is on acquittal, but I'd like to be surprised for once.

Garden - 23 Mar 2021 20:01:40 (#3 of 121)

I won't be watching it, BTW.

virgil5 - 23 Mar 2021 20:02:35 (#4 of 121)

Cops are usually acquitted.

Convicting them opens a whole can of worms as to "Who is responsible?" and "What can be done?"

You're all responsible, you thick lazy sluts. You get the police protection you want to pay for.

brooklyn - 23 Mar 2021 20:28:03 (#5 of 121)

<<Is that the usual course of events, Brook, that they'll announce a huge civil settlement in the middle of jury selection for the criminal trial?>>

huh. no! civil settlements generally come long after criminal proceedings. but it's an odd thing. this settlement makes the cop/defendant look bad. normally, a delay in the civil proceedings would prevent that -- prevent the cop/defendant from looking so bad. so why did they settle early? it's quite weird.

the cop/defendant is left with a long-term due process complaint. though it's the kind of question on which appellate courts generally defer to the trial judge's assessment of possible jury prejudice.

virgil5 - 23 Mar 2021 21:11:25 (#6 of 121)

This is a case of bad cop procedure. Cops should be trained in just how far deadly force is necessary to resolve the situation.

Cops are only human. They may go too far if they panic and aren't mature enough to handle their own lethality. Good training would instill maturity of action. It can be had if the force allows it, and the public will spring for the cost.

brooklyn - 23 Mar 2021 21:33:43 (#7 of 121)

this was an experienced cop who knelt on a compliant arrestees neck for over 8 minutes.

Garden - 23 Mar 2021 21:51:31 (#8 of 121)

The guy knew precisely what he was doing, was quite pleased with his little self.

The MAGAts out there are convinced he died from a drug overdose. That's what convinced me that Trump supporters have a perceptual deficit.

SinnerBoy - 24 Mar 2021 05:50:10 (#9 of 121)

Why would the settlement affect the trial? After all, DAs usually stage perp walks and fulminate about how the guy is as guilty as Hell and that they're going for the maximum sentence.

brooklyn - 24 Mar 2021 12:34:24 (#10 of 121)

the size of the settlement suggests that the city officials viewed the cop's conduct as pretty much indefensible. for the prosecutor to fulminate is one thing; for the cop's bosses to do so is another.

as I recall, some of the potential jurors admitted to just that problem.

Garden - 24 Mar 2021 16:40:18 (#11 of 121)

Two were excused because they admitted that the size of the settlement alone made it seem more likely that the cop's actions were indefensible and hence they were prone to find him guilty before the trial started.

I've been on three juries, and each time we've taken our instructions very seriously.

Two of the three juries involved LEO testimony that was less than credible. I'm not saying I know what the cops in this case will say, but I'm going to guess that it will be self serving and therefore easily discounted.

LaLady - 24 Mar 2021 17:00:39 (#12 of 121)

I was shocked hearing a civil trial and settlement had taken place before the criminal trial, brook, much less before a jury had been seated! Though, in my biased view I'm happy to hear it (I know that is wrong...)

Perhaps as a result there's a slim chance there will be some kind of conviction of the smug, racist, asshole, Chauvin, but he won't get what he deserves.

Geribaldi - 24 Mar 2021 17:41:17 (#13 of 121)

LALADINGDONG -"Perhaps as a result there's a slim chance there will be some kind of conviction of the smug, racist, asshole, Chauvin, but he won't get what he deserves."

Why is there a "slim chance" of a criminal conviction based on the civil settlement? From the point of view of the City of Minneapolis, they settled quickly and wisely got it over with. Minneapolis did the same thing when a black police officer shot and killed a white woman without justification:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/justine-damond-s-family-agrees-20-million-settlement-minneapolis-over-n1001716

However, the position of the City of Minneapolis in settling doesn't act as some sort of admission of guilt to Chauvin, he's a separate party.

I do wonder why anyone would want to be a cop these days.

brooklyn - 24 Mar 2021 19:52:59 (#14 of 121)

this case is a bit different from the average cop case. that video of the defendant with that smug smile on his face as he ....

well. anyway, there is an excellent chance of a conviction on a serious charge. and I cannot imagine how a settlement was announced before the verdict, whatever it might be.

LaLady - 24 Mar 2021 20:15:29 (#15 of 121)

The knee-jerk misogynist didn't get that an announcement of a settlement in a civil case before the criminal trial would seem to me to be prejudicial against the cop.

Of course it is not an admission of guilt by the cop, but another jury granting an award to the victim's family just might influence potential jurors for the criminal trial. Obviously.

brooklyn - 24 Mar 2021 20:19:24 (#16 of 121)

it wasn't even a jury that granted the money! the authorities just surrendered.

Geribaldi - 24 Mar 2021 20:54:32 (#17 of 121)

LALADINGDONG - "Of course it is not an admission of guilt by the cop, but another jury granting an award to the victim's family just might influence potential jurors for the criminal trial. Obviously."

Another jury? LOL. DING DING DONG.

Garden - 24 Mar 2021 21:39:39 (#18 of 121)

Don't tell me, Jerry's pro-murder when a cop does it.

LaLady - 24 Mar 2021 22:11:40 (#19 of 121)

No - he just can't stand it that I knew there was an award and assumed there was a civil TRIAL. So brook tells me there was no jury. Thanks, brook, but as far as Geri is concerned, so the fuck what? This is even worse but the result is the same.

jamalade - 24 Mar 2021 22:19:23 (#20 of 121)

After so long after Brook's post he cums along.

I have Giuliani in that hotel room getting all excited.

Bless.

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